The last time I looked, the Board sets the remuneration package of the CEO. While AJ is a member of that Board, I’m sure he recuses himself from all remuneration deliberations that affect him.

I spat my coffee all over my keyboard when I read that

My understanding is that if any Board Member tries to dig too deeply into the plans that Joyce has made, he spits the dummy and leaves the meeting.

They’re all walking on eggshells trying not to upset the petulant child.

Strange - and willing to be corrected - thought the board appointed the CEO and the CEO reported to the board, the board being the greater entity.

At least the previous VA board got the balance right with Borghetti! ;)

You would be right if Qantas and it's board functioned like it should! Plenty of high profile scandals in the last 30 years of dysfunctional corporate boards showing poor or non existent governance.

I'm not saying this is the case at Qantas, but once AJ is gone don't be surprised by anything he has done.

SM will announce international borders to remain closed indefinitely article in this mornings rag, appetite for zero cases has won! why are we bothering to vaccinate, may as well send our supplies to countries that want to get on with living.

Also, how does this affect QF and JQ international crews moving forward? this must be a massive drain on their books with a close on the market of $4.770, this could plummet now. AJ and Co. will be crunching some numbers I'm sure. Could this be the start of a new I.R battle could QF decide to dissolve international part of the business and then make plans to bring it back when Australia decides to open up, with lesser conditions of course!

Morrison sees no urgency in opening international borders

Prime Minister Scott Morrison says he sees “no appetite’’among Australians yet for opening the nation’s international borders, and he believes there is not enough evidence yet on the reliability of vaccines.

“I don’t see an appetite for that at the moment,’’ Mr Morrison has told The Daily Telegraph in a wide-ranging interview.

“I think what we are seeing at the moment is the appreciation of the people that the pandemic isn’t going anywhere.’’

The Prime Minister said: “all I know is once you let it [COVID-19] back in again, you cannot get it out. You’ve crossed that threshold.’’

The US and Europe “have been riddled with the pandemic and they can’t turn that back.

“We continue to roll out the vaccination program, over the course of this year, and in the meantime, I intend to be cautious, it’s in my nature.’’
https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...0d38?width=650Prime Minister Scott Morrison. Picture: NCA NewsWire/Bianca De MarchiMr Morrison also says there is not yet “considerable clinical evidence that tells us transmission is preventable’’ after vaccination always and “I think Australians want to ensure that the way we’re living at the moment is maintained’’.

The Prime Minister also says retail spending is high because Australians used to spend more money overseas than tourists spent in Australia.

Sigh....what a small, frightened, insular, parochial nation we’ve been revealed to be.

PM doesn’t trust the science of vaccines and all of a sudden the conservative side of politics is willing to sacrifice personal freedom on the altar of electoral convenience because they can’t reframe the messaging around the risk of a vaccinated population.

He’s also been backed into a corner by the embarrassing backlash and subsequent backflip on arrivals from India.

Retail spending is high? Sure, on products designed and manufactured overseas. Gerry Harvey is making a few bucks but the rest of the money disappears overseas. Services sector (particularly education/ tourism) still devastated.

The PM is a follower, not a leader, and has been thoroughly outthought and outmanoeuvred by the supposed dullards in the room in the state leaders, leaving him with no alternative except to keep the country indefinitely closed off from the rest of the world.

I wouldn’t have believed it possible even four months ago when the vaccine rollout started.

Total spending in Australia is higher than it would be with open borders, not just retail spending. The only industries truly suffering are international airlines and the travel agencies and airlines have the benefit of stand down and government handouts so they’re doing better than their international competitors. The vast majority of other industries have adapted and are having a great time. Those that were unable to adapt have already failed.

What would be a disaster is if Covid got into our society now. Surely you can see that.

Sure. Right now? Yup. I get it.

Once the population is vaccinated? Nup. With this interview the PM has basically jumped on the zero cases bandwagon.

COVID is not the same as the flu. I won’t try and argue that it is, but the comparison that once vaccinated we can keep deaths probably in the hundreds per year amongst vulnerable populations, similar to the flu, is a valid argument. Health economists make these calculations and judgements daily when considering how many doctors, hospitals and ICU beds we have. The public don’t realise that bureaucrats already make decisions about balancing the level of financial and health risk the population is willing to accept in dealing with conditions endemic to the population. The PM is just not willing to publicly acknowledge this and sell the message.

He’s made a mess of two significant areas of national responsibility - quarantine and vaccine rollout. This is a capitulation from the PM, plain and simple. He looks like a man without a plan and is vulnerable to further attacks.

https://www.worldometers.info/corona...ountry/israel/




pretty good evidence there that it’s greatly reducing transmission there Scotty boy.
how about we ask your overlord in the Biden administration? His CDC would disagree it seems:


https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021...ead-virus.html


https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/api....on-of-covid-19


grabted they’re all using Phizer, are you simply covering up your own ineptitude Scotty??

If he changed the plan he would be acting against what 95% of the population want. Why change the plan when virtually everyone is happy with how it is going?

https://www.lowyinstitute.org/public...covidpoll-2021

A worrying time for LH crew.

From the report:

Almost all Australian adults (95%) say that Australia has handled COVID-19 well, with a 22-point jump in those saying Australia has handled COVID-19 ‘very well’

Australians who have been vaccinated should be free to leave 40%
All Australians should be free to leave 18%

Looks like the majority (58%) follow common sense. Dial back the fearmongering.

Because it is costing the economy billions of dollars a year and the Liberal party are supposed to be the good economic managers.

It has been estimated that the closed international border is costing the country 8 billion dollars a month! It is not just international airlines suffering, one of the biggest industries in Australia by value is education. NSW will lose $14 billion a year by missing out on international students.

While lives are at risk, by all means keep the borders shut, but once vaccines take away that risk then there is no excuse for destroying the economy and people’s livelihoods.

Ahh Scotty you bogan dimwit! The vaccine was never intended to stop transmission, it was hoped that it may play a part in reducing it. But the overall aim of the vaccine is stop people dying! Who cares if we have 1000 new cases every day if people aren’t getting seriously sick or dying. There’s a reason the vaccine is being rolled out to the vulnerable first.

Long term, his zero COVID goal is about as achievable as his beloved Sharkies making the finals this year. Thanks for ruining my career for a bit longer old mate...you moron.

I’m sure it won’t be long until a proper legal challenge is mounted. Keeping families apart, especially from lower risk countries AND if you and your family are vaccinated must be against some kind of law. We are becoming a first world North Korea, or worse, a China. This is not a dictatorship despite what Scotty and some premiers would like you to believe.

however, where does it go for international crew from here? What ramifications would there be for a complete are almost complete wiping out of the LH part of the airline? Very worrying times.

I honestly think it'll just be status quo for LH crew as before, wait around on no pay. The headlines are sensationalised and it's all politics at the moment (threaten fines and jail time for own returning citizens ... not so good PR). The Northern summer coming up would be a good indication on allowing international movements, even with the slow rollout of the vaccine and low risk appetites in Australia, if the data shows that cases don't explode to cause mass amount of deaths and overwhelming hospitals, then the federal government would continue with their bubble concepts and gradually open up from next year to selected countries.

Fortunately or unfortunately based on someone's point of view, the stand down clause has somewhat allowed CR to really be used as a last resort. So as I said in the beginning, it'd just remain status quo for LH crew.

It’s pretty clear (well most LH I’ve spoken to can see the reality) that International full blown reopening won’t occur until 24. 2023 we test the waters. Alan has been leading the media on a bit, his balance sheet is quite ugly so probably warranted.

We will still be cycling major outbreaks and the unknown for the next 12 months.

Will need to be some consolidation on the Domestic front. I’ve seen a drop off in loads in the last few weeks, they will need to move away from just trying to fill seats with over capacity to actually making some cash, if that half of the business is dead for the medium term.

Glad international students are being kept out. They are a main reason wages haven’t increased for 20 years. Endless supply of graduates who are tied to their employer due to visa requirements. They are also a major source of immigration which is destroying Sydney and Melbourne. The university sector isn’t educating them as much as simply selling citizenship via university courses. Which they seem to be able to acquire, up to masters level without even having basic functional English. Yes I have had to take over work for such a person in addition to what I already had to do because they couldn’t write English. Incredible given assignments and exams are in English. Oh, but assignments are all group, ensuring at least one local is included who ends up doing all the work. As for exams, can’t fail them or else they might complain and the university would get a bad reputation amongst international students and they would go elsewhere, ending the rivers of gold. So to hell with the ‘education’ aka citizenship selling sector. The Australian economy needs to grow up. If all we do is dig **** out of the ground, sell citizenship and build crappy dog box apartment blocks to house them then we are doomed anyway.

rant over.

No useful work for the aircraft they fly.

same reason LH are stood down while QLink are interviewing for externals

When my grandmother came to Australia in her 20s she never saw her parents again. Within Australia’s immigrant history the immigrants knew that coming here meant more or less cutting the rope and many never returned to their country of origin. Visiting family overseas a couple of times a year is a very recent phenomenon, really only in the last 20 years.

The reason we can’t leave is because people leave and then cry they can’t readily come back (see just about everyone in India who wants to return).

wasn’t the premise of long service leave to allow poms to return on the long voyage for family reunions……

as is their right. And the removal of this right is bound to be challenged.

That's an interesting take on the situation. I guess visa holders would be more inclined to take a lower wage as opposed to having to go to their origin country.

Ok so we visit our overseas family once every ten years? We’re 14 months in to the travel ban.

The travel ban has been effective at stopping superfluous trips. An ounce of prevention (stopping exits) is worth a pound of cure (chartering flights to bring the complaining “stranded” back).

If you’re sick of the joint and want to leave for 3+ months you can.

Sure it’s a right (with conditions​​​​​) - like at the moment due to the pandemic you’ll have to wait a bit etc. Warning was given last year to get back while you could.

students, especially Chinese study here with the sole intention of staying, ie migrating here. They have limited knowledge of wage levels here and are desperate to stay. And competition is strong with the numbers of graduates our kolleges of nollege are churning out.

then you have 457 visa holders. Many come from India for IT or finance positions. I was involved in offshoring jobs to India about 10 years ago. Jobs paying 70 to 80k here were 13 to 15 k in India, 120 to 130k manager roles here, 30k in India. So they come here on a 457 , get offered 100k, a fortune to them but 20 to 30k below market rates. Employers know this so advertise roles at 100k, nobody applies as it is below market rates. Employers cry no skilled workers…. And of course 457 visa holders are sponsored so need to stay with that employer, or find another employer that is willing to sponsor them, more difficult to move roles.
fhen you have zero wage internships that foreign graduates take out of desperation. Basically working around 6 months for nothing after they graduate to get SOME experience. Often these companies are owned by Chinese so they exploit their own.

So ironical that the Chief Pilot (yes we have one!!) puts out an email asking us to pretty please...please...do the Survey (because no one has done it) the same day that more flying is outsourced....

You know, in an enlightened and employee engaged workplace it would make sense to at least offer redeployment to those who have had their lives turned upside down. After all they’re already in the system, with all the associated skills and clearances. Certainly way ahead of anyone off the street.

Just work down the LH Seniority list and perhaps put in some “return of service” provisos?

I mean it’s not Rocket Science.

They did, just as EFA, Network and NJS did. An EOI went out for a 3 year secondment. Mostly they required to be rated on type. This counted most internal people out. They got a few bites but need to supplement that with externals to meet projected intake numbers.

They also need to make sure they have the right people for the job. Being part of the group doesn’t automatically make you “way ahead of anyone off the street.”

I’ll bet the Brisbane based Q400 Captains would rather a group A3something or a 7whatever pilot over more QFPP...

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/aust...s-academy/amp/

I've heard they have interviewed a mix of GA and ex airline. It's initially for SYD and MEL bases.

All LH pilots have been offered slots with Qlink, Alliance and EFA. Some needing type ratings, some no rating required.

If there's not enough internal candidates then they go to external recruitment. And yes, Academy grads will be the first to be offered employment, no surprise an airline will choose those who've been through their own training system first over unknowns.

As far as who is "preferred" well that is a debate that has been done to the death on these forums, let's just say there have been a variety of cadetships and traineeships offered within the group for decades and they've all done fine. A lot of cadets/trainees rapidly became Q400 Captains and Training Captains in Qlink over the years so perhaps they'd have no problem at all with Academy grads?

Having lost my job last year I was 'lucky' to pick up a job in security. What an eye opener, working with guys from Pakistan (Accounting degree), Nepal (chemistry) India (accounting, IT and teaching) - Nepalese have the best English of that group. Sense of entitlement by some and they are all in on every government handout they can get (I was shocked to learn that I could get a couple of things). All say the government is doing right thing, funny thing to me is the Indians don't want the Indians to return to Australia. As for the money, what I could not believer from speaking to others is the fact that large companies pay so poorly to these guys in supposedly and potentially high risk areas (guys move from airport to ports security).

Well, like I keep saying. Quarantine is here and here to stay!
borders closed indefinitely with no exit strategy. It's rather sad to see when they push the vaccine on the population then go back on why the vaccine is really there in the first place.
The rest of the world is learning to live with the virus. Australia and NZ will turn into hermit states like North Korea before too long.
​​long.
Australians have had the right to freedom of movement taken from them, probably never to be returned.

I guess they have used lines to tug at your heart strings such as 'we need your input because we want to do better'!
Dont get fooled.

Or alternatively, do the survey and tell them exactly how you feel when you see flying being outsourced (bye bye future Mainline SH commands), while you collect $934/fortnight in govmint money and get an email every 8 weeks telling you there is no useful work.

Why bother? We’ve been telling them how we feel for 20 years since the purchase of Impulse and look where we are.

FWIW:
Qantas 787s have operated just over 80 sectors in the last 5 weeks - most of them international on repatriation and freight services to LAX, HKG, NRT, LHR, FRA, JNB among other places.

Not outstanding, but not exactly idle either.

When they get a reply it ticks a box to say you are engaged & therefore the kpi's are achieved for the relevant manager thus bonus paid.