Jetstar Singapore removing 6 Aircraft bringing its fleet down to 13. Cutting 1/4 of its headcount.

Not much info on Kiwi or Japan.

1500 Ground staff
 

Sounds like almost all the international terminal ground staff have got the axe. Takes a huge chunk out of TWU representation (and remove another thorn from Joyce's garden). Just wonder if the Transport Guys at Mascot will be spared - or will that go to Carbridge as well.

A point of order
 

Actually, they do not have LOFO.
A check of their EBA does not specify any such reverse order.

Yes, they can say ‘no useful work’ all they want but if the international borders come down then there is no legitimate reason to stand someone down.
It becomes a commercial issue of demand!
I foresee an argument from the A380 crew when the time comes if QF still insist on standing them down.

Exactly right!

Yep, without question.

Stand-Down Provisions

Notwithstanding any other clause of this Agreement, the Company is entitled to deduct payments from the pay of a pilot for any day on which the pilot cannot be usefully employed because of any strike, stoppage or any other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible subject to the following conditions:

Once we are past the government restrictions, it can’t be considered that the Company cannot be held responsible

Borders would have to be open with no covid-related restrictions on people entering both here and at the destination for that to be the case I'd have thought.

If here the USA and UK were open then the 380 could return to its previous routes therefore no reason for those crews to be stood down.

So come July 2021 when Allan says international will be at 10%. Can you please confirm you are saying you would like 90% (1350) pilots made redundant so those at the top can do some ‘useful work’ ?

Norm, Norm, Norm. Again with the hatred of those senior. That is the legal clause. Are you suggesting we should amend it? I don’t want anybody made redundant. If amendments are to be made, the company must negotiate.

I would add that company will ask for concessions. Many of those will, most likely, adversely effect those at the top half to benefit only those at the very bottom. Your attitude won’t be helping them when their finger is poised over the yes or no button. Something to think about.

The clause in the EA partially quoted above sets out the triggers for the stand down. There is nothing written in the EA or the general stand down info available at Fair Work that outlines a process or trigger for stand up. It will be the FWC that will have to rule on this. What is the political make up of the FWC these days, who appointed them? Where will they sit in terms of the needs of the economy and the health of Qantas versus the interests of the A380 guys. Will the government be supportive of the A380 pilots position or join the proceedings to offer a counter view. Good luck in predicting how this will turn out.

I doubt there would be too much of an issue claiming that the ‘no useful work’ was due covid, even when the borders open and therefore beyond the company’s control. The movement of people is likely to be heavily restricted for years to come.

what a sh$t day.

Jetstar Newcastle pilots + crew , Maintenance and Perth pilots closing. Best wishes to all.

It doesn’t use that term but 24.2.1(e) and 24.2.4(b) could be considered to mean the same thing (assuming LOFO is Last On, First Off)

I doubt very much the majority of my colleagues will see fit to hamstring themselves to prevent my inevitable reunion with the scrap heap.... and to be honest I wouldn't expect them to either.

Qantas has always been the land of the have's and the have more's. On the one hand there are people hanging on for dear life and on the other are people squabbling about superannuation implications.... quite surreal really.

I went through this with Ansett and am preparing to go through it again now. If you are in the firing line, I'm thinking of you.

Pretty much what Equaliser said.

You have your definition and reasoning, the company has a different view. It's the same with redundancy LH vs SH. If it goes that far it will end up in the courts. Stuff like this has never been tested. Your not right, your not wrong, it is just an opinion.

If you are employed on the 380 and the company says there is no useful work for them for 3 years (borders closed or not) then you can remain stood down (yep it sucks).

I do not believe that allows you to use your seniority to jump ship elsewhere, simply because another fleet is maybe flying 10%. That's ridiculous.

yeah that's what i meant by lofo; redundency in reverse order

A lot of the senior QF pilots should really treat this as a golden opportunity to wind down, to travel a bit (when able) etc. VR would be great but many of us do this job because we love flying and it is bloody hard to give up, not because of the money but job satisfaction. This period will give those who don't want to retire just yet, time to really explore what retirement will be like, and hopefully in a year or so, get back to flying.

Indeed. Best wishes. Newcastle based could just commute to Sydney, but Perth based will be facing major upheaval

QF guys Looking at JQ eba, why?
GE email today wanting to reduce 550 AUSNZ no indication of pilots or cabin crew, NTL and PH crew will be given options For a base most likely limited choices given the environment. 787 crew stood just like QF international. All in all JQ pilots NB and WB will be stood up as needed no word of any being made redundant.

Odd that there’s no mention of JQ 787 redundancies. Fair enough Per base due no DPS flying, but closing NTL ? Surely there’s more demand for NTL tech crew than SO’s for the next three years. If any intl comes back it’s probably going to be DPS runs and Japan ex CNS. The longer three crew runs weren’t doing well even pre rona anyway from what I heard. I.e HNL.

Answered my question a minute before I posted it well done 👏🏻👏🏻

Are those Perth and Newcastle Pilots being offered other opportunities to relocate or is it goodbye and that’s it?

They are going to be given options, my guess SY and ML will most likely be it at this stage.

The NTL maintenance base is also being closed and moved to Melbourne. I think that JQ over time will move to only have 3 major bases. What the current situation has demonstrated is that the bigger bases are easier to administer.

I don’t know about three, ADL and CNS bases definitely have their place in the network post COVID, OOL could be looked at tho.

Cairns should only grow in the medium term with countless neo opportunities into Japan and Asia. The 787 base perhaps not though.

Gotta lol at the mods quickly closing a second Qantas thread, despite 5 or 6 near-identical VA threads jockeying for top spot on the forums.. Not saying this shouldn’t have been merged, just noting the double mod standards when it comes to the daily new “Sky is falling” VA thread..

This is your major area of concern tonight?

i suspect it's more the multi-user poster involved

Of course not. But most other nights the poor VA guys and girls are subjected to new threads proclaiming that their place of employment will cease to exist (usually supported by a single new news article).
Just asking the mods to take note of this tidy up and apply it to the other threads as well.

No disrespect but International is fuc$ed for at least a year or 2 regardless of airline.

Wow, what an amazing insight.

A380 crew will be back.

Unfortunately it will be in an A350. But it’s better than the alternative and I gather after 3 years they’ll take anything...

Aviation really really sucks sometimes.

My gut feeling is however the recovery will be a lot faster than anyone imagined. Travel demand is still
there. It’s just restricted. As soon as the stimulus ticket sales go out, the seats will fill up and people will get moving. Just like domestic.

I agree. There are a lot of glass half empty types here, but like you I believe the problem is that travel is restricted rather than the desire to travel has evaporated.

Prove me wrong.....

What I mean is you can crap on and whinge but real international unrestricted travel is long off, at least a year for bubbles and 2-3 years for unrestricted travel, It’s dead in the water....

Hong Kong just revived 26 positive Covid results off a inbound Emirates flight from Doha. From memory it was something like people in rows 20,22, 24, 26, 30, 32 etc etc. No one is saying they caught it on the aircraft but do you really think Australia and NZ are just going to import plane loads of Covid passengers from around the world. The fallout from Victoria should be enough to guide the jeez it may be the dregs but it is half full types. People can have desires, but that won’t get you through customs.

Once there’s a vaccine it’ll be like the malaria pills we used to have to take. You get a shot and you head overseas.

I fully suspect though like SARs, it’ll burn out and become less severe and more like a common cold.

It used to be three shots at one stage, early '70's, and you had a little Health book that went with your Passport....those were the days!