Qantas initially announced they were grounding the A380 for 6 months based on the collapse of forward bookings. That was before the international borders were closed. The borders closed very soon after this announcement which left Qantas with no choice but to ground the fleet. Once the borders open, if there is still not sufficient forward bookings, Qantas will leave crew stood down as they were going to originally, due to lack of demand - not the closure of the borders. Unfortunately the EA does not address how long crew can remain stood down so arbitration will eventually be needed to determine when the stand down no longer applies.

Thats because some of those ego driven sky gods amongst your A380 lot are total wank#rs and deserve what’s coming. Sadly, they might take the good guys down with them. Surely the government won’t keep giving these half a million dollar guys jobkeeper when there are so many others out there who are really finding it tough going and need the help. The gravy train is done and dusted!

+1 for Ruvap on job keeper, means test on the way?

Anyone who thinks there will be some magic trigger or commercial epiphany forcing Qantas away from stand down provisions, is dreamin’. Covid effects will last for a long time and as was mentioned earlier by Ozbiggles, the greater good will trump the interests of the senior pilot cadre.

Fat guy in coat, 100% correct. I doubt that will go to far. Industrially difficult and potentially a very negative outcome.

What an imbecilic comment.
Every fleet in every airline has wankers among them, but nobody deserves “what’s coming”....

I've been through it before and I wouldn’t wish it on anybody.

Disgraceful attitude guys. Those 'wank#rs' on the 380 gave you the conditions you now enjoy. I can scarcely believe such tripe comes from supposedly educated people.

Very poor comments from Ruvap & Iron Bar. It’s times like this that we should be supporting each other, not insulting & denigrating your peers.

Well that’s not going to happen.

For one, it’s not legal (can’t displace someone working under another agreement), this was established and settled during the 2014 RIN.

Secondly it’d be a massive expense to retrain all of your domestic pilots, and management have made it quite clear they want absolutely zero unnecessary expense.

It will never happen.

Shorthaul has been denigrated for years, nothing new about that, so I don’t think there is any gain abusing others in this current plight, ironically now the 737 is the senior fleet at least for the next couple of years, am told there will be very little training from LH to Shorthaul as it costs far too much in the short to medium term anyway. There may be some training longish term as Domestic gets back to normal levels and attrition slowly reduces the SH crew numbers. Displacements between different awards? Lol that’s the funniest thing I’ve read for ages, it goes against everything the whole RIN process is legally blinded by, try and ask FWA about that fairytale request..

hear hear.....The CEO is absolutely doing the right thing. Those senior A380/747 pilots only put a uniform on maybe 15 days every 56 day BP and for that they make a killing and still they complain. What they make in allowances alone would pay the mortgage for some of the battlers in society. There is no way they deserve any jobkeeper amount so that must be stopped ASAP!

If you’re going to troll, you could be a little less obvious... :hmm:

What a goose you are, 15 days in 56 if only.

It doesn’t help when you have a senior LH captain call into a webinar and demand a slot on the 737, then out himself on qrewroom telling everyone that he’s just looking after number 1, and disputing that “luck of draw, or right place, right time” has anything to do with this industry. It was embarrassing and probably solidified the belief from most on the 737 of the arrogance and superiority the guys at the top feel they are entitled to. Looking after number 1 can work both ways, so I wouldn’t expect too many on the 737 to much sympathy.

In that case he is a goose who doesn’t understand his contract and wants to have his cake and eat it to and that’s not going to happen. You take the good with the bad.

Agreed!.....and to the moron above, let’s say a 10 day trip to EU is worth 55 hours, that’s 4 sectors or 4 days or 4 times to put your monkey suit on, so I would say, wearing a uniform on 15 occasions every 56 is no exaggeration, the rest of the time being spent as a paid tourist, and you still think you’re worth more!

Everyone gets paid in accordance with the award. Plent of ex-SH pilots on the 380 who are (or rather were...) loving it. You sound like a douchebag.

Not criticising the LH award, and we’d all be better off but for some of those on the A380 who think the sun shines out of their arses. We will all be better off with the grounding of the A380 and hopefully the gods will not be invited back.

I think you need to re-read the EBA, particular the stand down section mate. No time limits mentioned. No useful work = stood down. Nothing that can be done about it. Good luck trying to convince the executive to spend the “war chest” on that one.

Plenty of good blokes and gals on the A380. Who determines who these “gods” are? You? Or are you just going the nuclear option - sacking the lot to get rid of those you don’t like?
You’re starting to sound unhinged.:rolleyes:

So now work is only when you put on your uniform so 3 London’s is 30 days on the roster but under your maths only 12 days work. A blank line holder who does 30 standbys a roster but isn’t called out so doesn’t wear a uniform has therefore not worked. You idiot.

Gee there are some right clowns on this forum. There are a number of A380 crew who are amongst the best people on this planet. No one deserves what is occurring at the moment, whether they’re a declared ‘nice person’ or one of Ruvap’s ‘Sky gods’.

The vast majority of 380 pilots are great guys and gals! (but I have definitely run into some w@nkers on the crew bus - my captains words, not mine!)

The current world events and the circumstances we find our self in, has meant the 'gravy train bubble' has come to a swift halt. The new world order will come as a shock, and adapting is required for survival. It will only be temporary, and things will improve.

5 years down the track when 6 of the 380s are officially mothballed, and the 350s come in, you will all be grateful for listening to normantons wise wisdom about just how important it was to secure those 350's in LH10. ;)

Not that it matters, but actually he's not a LH Captain but a 744 F/O with a severely disabled son who was (obviously inadvisedly) voicing his concerns at the plight he has found himself in. If you too are going to denigrate yourself online, at least do some research to verify the accuracy of your statement and include all of the information lest you appear as great a goose as you suggest he is.

And for what it's worth, he's also usually considered one of the nicest blokes you could share a flight deck with…….

Let's hope the 380s are still here so you can then use the 380 award conditions to offset Tino and Alan's next ultimatum! ;) too :)

I’m not sure if this line of thinking will stand up in court, but even then the government restrictions aren’t going to be fully removed for a long time. Several days ago there were comments from the federal government indicating borders may be closed until mid to late 2021. Even when they reopen it won’t be a free for all, I wouldn’t be surprised to see continued restrictions applied against travellers from the US for a period of time after borders are opened to other nations given how bad they’ve handled the outbreak over there.

Hear hear.

It's a rough time for everyone. Much as I'd love to get parachuted onto SH (or anything...) right now, climbing over the backs of colleagues isn't the way to do it.

Understood C441. I don't know the guy, and his position is not really relevant (except his seniority for the purpose of this point). I made an assumption, and I was wrong. That doesn't change the content of his point or the premise on which he made it. My point is that statements like can cause division as is being shown here on this board and it's not helping anyone. Just be careful what you say. We all have our crosses to bare.

And for the record, I never called him a goose. No need to be rude.

That’s certainly not how I remember the question. I certainly don’t recall him demanding a seat on the 737 and his post on Qrewroom doesn’t ask for one either. I recall the question (‘the elephant in the room’) was that there are senior crew stood down whilst junior crew are flying and whether there was anything being looked at to try and spread the flying to those crew stood down. It could probably have been phrased more effectively but it’s a legitimate question.

Given he is on a now retired fleet his question is still somewhat relevant but more along the lines of ‘when can I expect to be RIN’d’ so that he can bid for a fleet with some ‘useful work’.

That is not my understanding of what has been said.

Do you have a link?

https://www.perthnow.com.au/news/cor...ng-b881586415z

There is one link. This one indicates borders may be shut until we have a vaccine

Then that will probably be never. There's no vaccine for every strain of Flu B, or all the bird flus, or all the other SARS strains.

This is embarrassing. Air NZ have actually had forced redundancies...hundreds of them...They have a thread too and somehow they managed to not denigrate the thread into a petty farce.

Pathetic cowardly behavior. Hard to believe that these people occupy control seats in aircraft.

Gloriously vague. We have a Chief Medical Officer saying that there is no medical reason for state borders to be closed and yet here we are.

We are not supposed to be aiming for eradication, we are after flattening the curve, remember?

I will be surprised if we cannot travel overseas by Christmas.

Some thoughts from a survivor of ‘89.

- Its bad . Very bad. Accept it . And deal with it.

- People under stress will say and do things under stress that they will regret for the rest of their lives.
Don’t be one of them.

- The worst possible outcome will be when you start eating your own.

- Circumstances like these are great revealers of character. Behave in a way that you can look back on with pride.

- This too will pass.

^^^^ Well said.

get ready to be very surprised !!!!

from the EBA:
“The Company may deduct payments from the pay of an Australian based pilot for any day the pilot cannot be usefully employed because of any strike, stoppage or other limitation of work for which the Company cannot be held responsible...”

I have to disagree. If there aren’t enough bookings once borders are open, that’s a business / commercial problem.

Otherwise, why would ANY company ever pay VR / CR if they could just stand down the employee indefinitely?

Qlink and Rex seem happy enough standing down pilots despite regional travel being permitted by the government.

I too reiterate these sentiments. Be careful what you say and do - it will be your legacy.

Wise words indeed

They are not responsible for no flying due to a pandemic, borders open or not. You are fighting a losing battle.

I recommend you call AIPA legal for further clarification :ok: