It’s not like any were denied the opportunity (talking mostly about SOs here) to take an upgrade, their seniority would have gotten them onto the 737 in any base or a lot to LH FO as well. They chose to be where they are.

and...?

There are more than a few FOs on the A380 who were on the 737 for years, before landing a gig on the A380 in the last 2 years.

It’s just a sh!tty situation all round.

It’s not relevant where they could have gone - seniority is still the rule of the land.

Stand down won’t go on for years, won’t be allowed to. Have a chat with some IR lawyers and you’ll understand why. Greater things at play than Joyce and Co. The advice I’ve heard - Follow your enterprise agreement, all that is necessary is contained within it.

Yeah, it is a ****ty situation all round. But right place right time applies.

The 737 won’t be an option (can’t RIN between awards and company won’t train more than necessary onto 737) so the only options in mainline for stood down 380 and 747 pilots are 330 and 787. And I believe they only get a shot once existing pilots have been retrained back to their roles and with concessions. By the time that happens it will be a couple of years into the future, and I’d assume the market would’ve picked up substantially if both 330 and 787 are back flying at max capacity. Maybe enough to bring a few 380s back.

Another option which may occur in 12-18 months is another VR. I can foresee more pilots requesting it in that time frame, perhaps the first one was too soon after the initial shock of stand downs, maybe more will be comfortable putting their hand up for it after they’ve established themselves in a new career.

So once those things happen, plus the existing 250 to go soon under VR/ER there’ll be a more manageable situation in 2022/23.

Not necessarily, ask Kendall CRJ pilots about how seniority works. Although the situations would be different it shows courts don’t always follow strict seniority in IR law.

We know it’s 3yrs now so why haven’t the IR lawyers come in for the kill?

You don't have to go that far back. Virgin 777 and A330 pilots had seniority and the only thing that gets them is the chance to be rehired in 2 years if Virgin are recruiting. Seniority works when the situation is normal. It is a long way from being that now and for a few years to come.

A (very...) quick straw poll reveals a few would prefer CR over years of stand down.

Won’t happen though, CR is expensive - stand down is cheap.

Virgin have different contracts. Different clauses. Same as Kendal.

747 crew get to RIN using seniority. They don’t want to retrain crew. If they could of made them redundant on type they would have.
Pilots don’t understand their own agreement. Embarrassing lack of knowledge.

I would rather a stand down or a big CR payout than fly a maggot.

Oh boo hoo

I’d fly a prickly pineapple at the moment given half a chance!

Considering the waves of unemployed pilots across the world including Aust and NZ, that comment is at best embarrassing. Doubly so when you consider many 737 pilots were willing to keep their pay packets lower by potentially agreeing to let some LH pilots transfer across hauls.

Of course, the maggot has also got a habit of highlighting deficiencies in otherwise ‘sh*t hot pilots’.

:D:D:D

Made me laugh, thanks!

That’s gold !!! 😂

indeed. No doubt there are many ex VA and TT drivers who would happily take your stood down position, let alone fly the 737.


Unfortunately the sense of entitlement and demands of a very small number of senior captains has ruined that sentiment for the rest of the top guys and girls in LH. A real shame those individuals who’ve had the dream run still can’t see that a solution to help everyone was the best way forward. Now everyone will miss out.

Seriously... :rolleyes:

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e5f762dd32.gif

Bravo. First prize for being a flog award goes to you. Congratulations

^ says it all.

In all fairness he didnt say he wouldnt bid for it. Just not fly it.

Big dog Gazza