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Australopithecus 31st Oct 2020 21:06


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10916034)
QF have said multiple times that there won’t be any vacancies on the 737. The RIN will only involve the 787/330.

if there were vacancies, they wound be filled by the oldest, most senior 380 crew....which wouldn’t help the RIN at all.

I'm not sure...there are approximately 30 A pilots that the integration agreement covers who would get first shot. Perhaps none of them would take a slot, but all are at the head of the queue. An unforeseen consequence of a long-ago deal.

ruprecht 31st Oct 2020 21:33


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10916034)
If there were vacancies, they wound be filled by the oldest, most senior 380 crew....which wouldn’t help the RIN at all.

There would, of course, have to be a RIN announced for the A380 first.

knobbycobby 31st Oct 2020 21:36


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 10916118)
I'm not sure...there are approximately 30 A pilots that the integration agreement covers who would get first shot. Perhaps none of them would take a slot, but all are at the head of the queue. An unforeseen consequence of a long-ago deal.

Need to understand the difference between a RIN and redundancy.
And how bidding for a redeployment slot is different from electing to displace when named in a RIN.
if it a 747 pilot is named in a RIN they can elect to displace A330, 787, 380. If it’s a redeployment slot then it’s different as anyone can bid for slot with seniority. Won’t be any 737 vacancies created whilst pilots are still below MGH. If moronic state premiers lift borders and SH Ramps up maybe vacancies next year but highly unlikely.
anyone know how many 747 pilots are actually left? I heard that just about all the 747 CPT had taken VR or ER. Single digits remaining.
not sure about FO or SO numbers.



Fujiroll76 31st Oct 2020 22:31

So it’s apparent the company are short of crew for the upcoming bid periods on the 330 due to mass on LWOP.

I had to laugh when that email came out.




maggot 31st Oct 2020 23:38


Originally Posted by Fujiroll76 (Post 10916172)
So it’s apparent the company are short of crew for the upcoming bid periods on the 330 due to mass on LWOP.

I had to laugh when that email came out.

s/o rank i presume?
Some of those left are in permanent iso too.

Green.Dot 31st Oct 2020 23:52


Originally Posted by maggot (Post 10916201)
s/o rank i presume?
Some of those left are in permanent iso too.

Well heavy crewing those flights with 2 Capts or 2 FOs will certainly negate the cost savings of SOs not accruing leave. Brilliant! :D :ugh:

ROH111 31st Oct 2020 23:53

The RIN will be on paper only.

It won’t transpire for yeeeeears!

I heard the Sydney office chick had to make 90 phone calls in order to get 9 pilots stood up. Most have employment outside of QF and are not willing to return unless it’s full time work.

Overspeed1 1st Nov 2020 00:57

I thought you couldn’t actually say no to being stood up again? Unless your on LWOP don’t they just have to give you 2 weeks notice to be back at work. I was under the impression they were just being polite by “asking” if you want to be stood up

Koizi 1st Nov 2020 01:28

Yep, there’s now discussion about enforcing longest since amongst those remaining stood down.
A large proportion of SOs that elected to stay stood down have yet to operate. So those working are burning out.
Given that some aren’t able to work under the current requirements, there’s discussion about new application for LWOP and essentially a ‘prisoner swap’ to bring back those who do want to work but took LWOP due to threat of CR only.

josephfeatherweight 1st Nov 2020 07:18

My thoughts are with my aviator brethren who find themselves unemployed, stood down, redundant, on LWOP or whatever other form their employment has taken at the hands of COVID.
I see our friend Discrepancy is a victim also - and whilst I wish him no ill-will, I couldn't help but chuckle at his un-surprising narcissism where he casts comparisons of himself with Neil Armstrong... :ugh:


"I'll look up to A380s overhead with memories similar to those of Neil Armstrong, when he looked to the sky and saw his footprint on the moon."
https://www.traveller.com.au/qf32-qa...covid19-h1rswc



Angle of Attack 1st Nov 2020 07:29

Discrepancy is Gonski, it’s just his media affiliations that has got him a no news article. Good luck to him! He’s almost 64 come on who cares?

Rabbitwear 1st Nov 2020 07:34

Great time for Qantas Group seniority, cancel the MOU and let the senior QF pilots take the Jetstar positions !

Blueskymine 1st Nov 2020 10:03


Originally Posted by Rabbitwear (Post 10916379)
Great time for Qantas Group seniority, cancel the MOU and let the senior QF pilots take the Jetstar positions !

‘Cause noone wants to go to the inferior contract and fly the maggot, but they’ll be happy to leap across and show Jetstar how to fly the scarebus.

I’m sure the Jetstar guys will be wetting their pants with excitement.

Nice one.

Ragnor 1st Nov 2020 18:10


Originally Posted by Rabbitwear (Post 10916379)
Great time for Qantas Group seniority, cancel the MOU and let the senior QF pilots take the Jetstar positions !

only BNEA320 would type something as idiotic as that comment.

Keg 6th Nov 2020 01:13

:( :sad:

Such a sad day for many colleagues.

VH-ABC 6th Nov 2020 02:05


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 10919878)
:( :sad:

Such a sad day for many colleagues.

FFS any chance of being less cryptic?

DirectAnywhere 6th Nov 2020 02:17

Presumably the VR/ER lists are out.

Keg 6th Nov 2020 02:32


Originally Posted by VH-ABC (Post 10919890)
FFS any chance of being less cryptic?

All VR in mainline accepted. 188 crew.

DirectAnywhere 6th Nov 2020 03:07

Firstly, all the very best to those who've taken the package in whatever form.

Any word on the ER Keg? I haven't seen anything through official channels, although I don't really know what the official channels are for announcing something like this.

Where does that leave 330 TREs/ C+Ts? I thought there was some concern over the number of applications from amongst their ranks.

Keg 6th Nov 2020 03:26

They mentioned ‘about 50’ for ER I think.

A330 trainer numbers should be OK. Not quite as dire as some initially thought them to be. The loss of some fantastic mentors is what saddens me the most.


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