Nope, you are not stood down under the JobKeeper extensions to the FWA.

You are stood down under the stand-down provisions in your EBA.

Read your stand down letter.

Imagine for a moment the Federal Government had not introduced Jobkeeper or any other assistance payment directly linked to stood-down employees; for example an extension of the 'dole' for those not receiving any form of salary or wages.
Stand-downs would still have occurred as specified in various industrial awards and agreements. It's for that same reason that Qantas and probably many other employers, can continue to stand-down staff according to the relative agreement, award or the FW act once Jobkeeper ceases.

As for a trigger to cease stand-downs within Qantas and in particular for it's Longhaul Pilots, that will almost certainly be for a court to decide as I'd be fairly certain that Qantas will wish to extend it as long as possible and the Pilot group will be looking for an expedited return to minimum pay even (if it's at a reduced MGH).

I’d agree that March will be the crux point. Ceasing jobkeeper would coincide with border relaxation. Perhaps earlier. However at that point the Feds will say to QF “OK, you are on your own”. That’s when the matter will go to court. QF will try it out. As the consensus here indicates, it’s one for a judge.

Let’s look into the future. At some point SYD-LAX will reopen, likely with reduced demand. QF will most likely use 787s on that route rather than the A380.

Is this an economic decision, or a pandemic decision?

If the company elects to use a smaller aircraft to save money, can they keep the A380 crew stood down unpaid?

What was that ancient Chinese curse about “interesting times”? :bored:

I agree, we are stood down under the EA's however the way stand down is being used to stand some up and keep others stood down is a function of the Jobkeeper amendment. They are not mutually exclusive of each other.

NJS crew may be about to have a similar argument. PER and CNS crew are being relocated and potentially stood down in new bases - replaced by larger aircraft as an economic decision.

Why do people think a precedent hasn't already been set by the domestic situation? Border openings will have no direct bearing on stand down provisions, or if AIPA's legal opinion is different, I expect a SH challenge to be made there first.

Whilst demand is down, the stand down 'privilege' will remain. Additionally, I don't see an AIPA challenge and nor is it necessarily in the pilot's interest as a negotiated outcome is probably better for all.

I think that is the company’s motivation with EA variations!

For those that missed the news today.

787’s to be deployed on London - Darwin / Delhi - Darwin.

8 flights have been approved initially with more to follow.

Hope those ASIC’s have been stored correctly and readily accessible.

Next question - Do you come off LWOP for those that are to grab a piece of the pie. CR protection gone...

😊

Why bother coming off LWOP, it will only go to the Office Lurkers anyway...

They doing CR are they? Thought they be needing everyone now there is only one full service carrier.

I mean it makes sense with them being all current..

Hang on..wasn’t there a seniority system in place to allocate ANY flying 🤔

A repatriation flight inbound from Delhi won’t have near the same media audience as a flight to “nowhere” .......

we might get a look in 🤞🏻

It’s a good start, even though it’s only a total of 16 sectors in one month for a fleet of several hundred pilots most of whom haven’t operated for 6 months. It’ll be limited by the NT quarantine facility they will be housed in.

Hopefully there will be more opportunities on a regular basis.

I believe it was mostly SOs who took LWOP. There’ll still be Trainers stood up, I assume to prep for the scenic flights and Antarctic charters.

And PLENTY of supervisories........

737 always going to be the senior fleet!

Selling all a380s and a330s

some first post eh

I think he’s talking about his model collection

If the ‘78’ was your ‘destiny’ then I guess QF selling all their other LH aircraft would be a good thing. Still sounds like rubbish though, ain’t no one buying a used (or new) A380.

I believe all 380s have been paid for. Not sure about the 330s.

380 resale value is worthless, so no point in getting rid of them. Might as well keep them in desert a for a few years, when numbers pick up just convert them into 550+ seat high density config A/C and send them on sub 10hr flights to Asia. Well that’s what I’d do.