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Ragnor 1st Nov 2020 19:10


Originally Posted by Rabbitwear (Post 10916379)
Great time for Qantas Group seniority, cancel the MOU and let the senior QF pilots take the Jetstar positions !

only BNEA320 would type something as idiotic as that comment.

Keg 6th Nov 2020 02:13

:( :sad:

Such a sad day for many colleagues.

VH-ABC 6th Nov 2020 03:05


Originally Posted by Keg (Post 10919878)
:( :sad:

Such a sad day for many colleagues.

FFS any chance of being less cryptic?

DirectAnywhere 6th Nov 2020 03:17

Presumably the VR/ER lists are out.

Keg 6th Nov 2020 03:32


Originally Posted by VH-ABC (Post 10919890)
FFS any chance of being less cryptic?

All VR in mainline accepted. 188 crew.

DirectAnywhere 6th Nov 2020 04:07

Firstly, all the very best to those who've taken the package in whatever form.

Any word on the ER Keg? I haven't seen anything through official channels, although I don't really know what the official channels are for announcing something like this.

Where does that leave 330 TREs/ C+Ts? I thought there was some concern over the number of applications from amongst their ranks.

Keg 6th Nov 2020 04:26

They mentioned ‘about 50’ for ER I think.

A330 trainer numbers should be OK. Not quite as dire as some initially thought them to be. The loss of some fantastic mentors is what saddens me the most.

blow.n.gasket 6th Nov 2020 04:48

All the very best to those who took the package .
Looking more and more like they may have made a very smart move in leaving before Alan’s flotilla sinks !

Lookleft 6th Nov 2020 05:51

What would be difficult for them, regardless of the payout, is they would not have known that the last time they finished work was the end of their airline career. Any plans they would have had for an orderly exit and one last flight to their favourite destination was gone. I realise that it is a first world problem in the disaster that is C19 but it is worth acknowledging that a significant number of pilots in Qantas and Virgin, with collectively tens of thousands of flying hours, will never again walk through the cockpit door to go flying.

C441 6th Nov 2020 06:31


….they would not have known that the last time they finished work was the end of their airline career.
Yes, I did the outbound leg of my last trip as the F/O was going on leave and requested the homeward sector to maximise his chances of maintaining recency at the end of his leave.
Little did we know we'd both be going on 'extended' leave and recency probably wasn't going to be a big issue in the whole scheme of things! :)

krismiler 6th Nov 2020 08:18

Who would have thought it would come to this.


PoppaJo 6th Nov 2020 10:54

I know a mate in a local Woolies down in Melbourne. FO works on the registers, Cabin Manager in the Deli, Captain in the Fruit and Veg. They are all actually enjoying the experiencing living only a few minutes from home.

maggot 6th Nov 2020 11:17


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 10920124)
I know a mate in a local Woolies down in Melbourne. FO works on the registers, Cabin Manager in the Deli, Captain in the Fruit and Veg. They are all actually enjoying the experiencing living only a few minutes from home.

it certainly exposes the lifestyle con of the industry

unobtanium 6th Nov 2020 12:51


Originally Posted by PoppaJo (Post 10920124)
I know a mate in a local Woolies down in Melbourne. FO works on the registers, Cabin Manager in the Deli, Captain in the Fruit and Veg. They are all actually enjoying the experiencing living only a few minutes from home.

Pretty sure they are not enjoying the drastic reduction in hourly rate.

OzSync 6th Nov 2020 22:37

Does giving VR to everyone who asked for it now allow the company to legally go down the CR path?

krismiler 6th Nov 2020 23:10

Generally, the first step is to offer ER and VR. After that, if they still still haven't got the required numbers, then it's CR. LIFO is often used but in this case the agreement needs to be looked at carefully. The current situation is unprecedented and I doubt the union was seriously considering the possibility of mass layoffs occurring when it was drawn up.

Expensive retraining would be required to move A380 and B744 crews onto other fleets, and the next type down may be over crewed already. Do you then displace more pilots downwards or put the senior pilots onto the junior fleet ?

A few months ago I posted that QF was in a strong enough position to avoid redundancies, and unlike Virgin, would be able to survive this crisis relatively unscathed due to its solid financial state. Back in May, I doubt anyone expected this crisis to still be going on as the end of the year approaches.


dr dre 6th Nov 2020 23:28


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10920635)
Generally, the first step is to offer ER and VR. After that, if they still still haven't got the required numbers, then it's CR.

Technically they only need to consider VR and other alternatives before going to CR.

But managing a surplus involves exhausting leave, RIN, LWOP, Secondment and a whole bunch of other measures before CR is used. The surplus will be in certain categories, namely the 747 as that definitely isn’t returning. That will probably be a RIN on paper as training cannot be conducted. Then the process of redeployment and displacement would occur. One could say the most junior pilots, 787 and 330 SO, will be some of the first to return to regular operation.

As management have repeatedly stated the current surplus will be managed by stand downs in the short/mid term and the VR and ER in the long term. As announced no need for further redundancies, Voluntary or otherwise.


Originally Posted by krismiler (Post 10920635)
A few months ago I posted that QF was in a strong enough position to avoid redundancies, and unlike Virgin, would be able to survive this crisis relatively unscathed due to its solid financial state. Back in May, I doubt anyone expected this crisis to still be going on as the end of the year approaches.

They’ve stated mid year that their current cash flow at the time would see them survive until end 2021. Now with the domestic network starting to return, 50% by Xmas and most sometime next year that stretches that out. One could say as the domestic network is the main cash cow then that will sort out the long term issues. Another sign there’s no imminent financial problem is that the VRs have all been approved, I think if they were tight for cash they wouldn’t pay out packages they weren’t legally required to pay.

krismiler 6th Nov 2020 23:43

Sounds promising, hopefully by this time next year the bus driving pilots will be back in the air with a few stories to tell.

Wingspar 7th Nov 2020 07:22

Ironic, if you add the VR and ER together it adds up to 238.
Boeing customer number is 38 for Qantas.
Many of those going would have many hours in a 238.

das Uber Soldat 7th Nov 2020 08:17


Originally Posted by Wingspar (Post 10920789)
Ironic, if you add the VR and ER together it adds up to 238.
Boeing customer number is 38 for Qantas.
Many of those going would have many hours in a 238.

That's a coincidence, not irony. You've been hanging out with Alanis Morriset too long.


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