Let's put some flesh and skin on this beast

You are proposing to sentence all the elderly of Australia to indefinite confinement in their rest homes, with no chance of discharge other than in a box, and no chance of remission of sentence? Seems a little harsh as a reward for decades of faithful taxpaying and community contribution.

You are telling my Dad that he must observe (it would certainly not be celebrate) his one hundredth birthday in the company only of his wife of seventy years, without any of their four children, ten grandchildren and three great-grandchildren. That is certainly not the Australia he chose to live in after six years of war service, including combat flying in both Indian and Pacific Ocean theatres.

Shame on you

Nah... I've got 40+ years of my BP history and there was a very marked improvement after I was put on a common med.

Yet WA QLD are pushing to host AFL/NRL grand finals which will attract financial gain for them but don’t let mum and dad in with the caravan to sit on the beach the inconsistency is a joke with these states.

Yes I am sorry for your dad being in an aged care but you’re willing to sentence generations to multiple life times of debt and high taxes each week this goes on we sink further into the oblivion. Lock the aged care up times arrived for tough decisions unfortunately the elderly and vulnerable need to be separated.

What do you think is happening now? Where I am in NSW, the only relatives allowed into a nursing home are for residents under end-of-life care.

That's it, and that will be it until we ease lockdowns. Want to bet when that will be?

At the risk of sounding crass, that’s 1 of 2 ways you leave a nursing home anyway. The other way is still in a box but via a stopover in hospital.

It's also 1 of 2 ways you leave the Covid Ward and ICU, except that has nothing to do with old age, you only have to be there.

If it has nothing to do with old age, why does every news bulletin contain the age of the Covid victims?

Ruprecht we are on the same page I wrote this 4 days ago:


Sad as it is and unfortunate as it is, if this is not an old peoples disease, then why does he have to provide
the ages of the deaths at each press conference. If he provides the ages, then it feels like Dan is insinuating it's an old people's disease.
Or conversely is he trying to insinuate it's a young people's disease.
Just say the number. (Hope no numbers). We don't need to know the ages. We don't need to know wether its male/female.
If your going to disclose ages then disclose any underlying conditions. No, we can't do that, we must shock & awe
not go about it with common sense and practicability.

I think he gives a breakdown of the age/genders to make people realise that these are real people that are dying, not just statistics. They cant give much more info than that for the sake of the families privacy.

As the premier of Pineapplestan
A notice to all Cane Toads of Australia. Be advised your chain and shackles was a thing in the past. Their are no restrictions. Please continue to roam and cross
all borders of this country at your free will. Go forth and multiply as per your species regulations dictate with no social distancing and do raise your middle finger to all those
humanoids that are log jammed at the border. You own them one for all those Dunlop/Olympic tyre marks that you have tattooed on your backs.

So TAS will keep borders closed until at least 1 December, can bet on WA lasting well into 2021 then....there goes the bumper summer / xmas traffic

Real people. What do the fake ones look like?
In the wash up, if we come to a royal commission at the end of all this, when your in a state of emergency or disaster some of these privacy regs need to be lifted for the greater good of better health.

I’d imagine just like Easter - that’s what they want. Christmas will be a time of movement and flare ups. So if they can delay until the quieter travel period post Feb, then the risks are reduced.

I don’t see WA opening up until there is a vaccine. Then a condition of entry will be vaccination.

Its humanising the deaths.

Are you familiar with the saying 'one death is a tragedy, one million deaths is a statistic'

Agreed on that but I do hope autopsies are being conducted to provide more info for us and for future generations
on how this thing is killing. i.e. blood samples, lung tissue all that kind of stuff. Everyone is eager to know.

Yes, they are. Apparently they’re full of garlic. See, your stupid idea has no merit.

On a serious note, a lung on a deceased person that has been subjected to Covid looks like it’s been boiled. Tell me that something similar wouldn’t happen in a mild case.

How about our fellow pilot in Vietnam who was otherwise in good health, then spent several months in a coma on ECMO and by a miracle has recovered. His lungs are basically screwed beyond repair and he struggles to do anything these days.

I hope you get this apparent “no fuss” disease buddy, and then you can tell us how you faired afterwards.

The idea of “boosting your immune system” is the biggest crock of **** I’ve ever read by the way.

Well to lower it, all your got to is, consume lots of sugar, lots of salt, lots of bad fats, stay locked in, don't breath fresh air, don't bother doing
any exercise and hay presto you have a weakened immune system. Any disease will knock on your door and it's party time.
However, if you did the reverse to what I said, then the moment they knock on your door, you will be able to blow them away in the style of hasta la vista baby.
You be the terminator don't let them terminate you.

As asked above (to a degree) how do we isolate and protect ALL the elderly not in "nursing homes" and the staff that service this massive industry (not in nursing homes) and who will pay?

It is and has been a mega industry and the poor get "aged care" we have had current affairs programs about it for many years - most are trash.

MANY never attend - but they are still elderly (and many Baby boomers!!!!) yet you still require them "protected".

Can you put your proposal forward how you will "isolate" them have them "looked after" and how it is "funded" till a vaccine has been approved and available at an affordable cost.

Gray Nomads is a industry that many want a part of in every state/territory - you want to lock them up?

Agree completely. Yes those dying from the virus may be in the at risk groups and the elderly but the big unknown is how it affects the young and healthy.

There are numerous studies out there but the problem is this is so new that nothing has been able to be done in a coordinated and in depth study. Early studies are saying that 10-15% of all people tested positive are still suffering from long term damage that is getting worse once the virus has been eradicated.

Just tried to attach a link to the 2 reports but can’t seem to get it to work. Sorry but if you google it you should be able to find numerous articles.

That isn’t necessarily limited to COVID patients only, it is well known that those who have been infected with influenza suffer long term effects as well:

Long term outcomes in survivors of epidemic Influenza A virus infection

5 Ways the Flu Can Affect Your Health Even After You Feel Better