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All this talk about Sweden but do any of you live there.
1. the hospital system was never over run. 2. Population density is quite high around the city’s with mostly apartment living. 3. Rarely a mask in sight 4. the only industries effected are Hotels and Aviation. 5. The “rights” of the individual have been respected by the politicians and there is no political power plays or fear mongering unlike Australia. but like everything in this world Australia thinks it knows best. Without a shadow of a doubt this virus was never bad enough for Armageddon. How about we just get on with it. The bats out of the bag. |
Also have to include deaths due to lack of medical treatment for example the MIL of a bloke at work. She had known heart problems and a recurrence of symptoms in April so to the Vic hospital. They tested her but refused anything else until the test results came back. Clear on covid but had died in the meantime.
How many will die early from lack of early cancer diagnosis? Expect that to be brushed under the carpet |
I'll try and put some perspective on the arguments raised in this thread, lets reverse the argument. Government and Medical Industry at you. So you have an engine fire, big deal, it's only a small fire, not like a bush fire and the aircraft hasn't got many people on it, not like it's full, it's only a problem if the wing falls off and how often does that happen, near never, even it it does it's only 50 deaths. I mean who really cares, more people die on the roads than that. That's how medical people read your argument.
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You should be careful about thinking you speak for all “medical people”.
You don’t, and there are a wide variety of opinions amongst them I can assure you. |
Originally Posted by rcoight
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You should be careful about thinking you speak for all “medical people”.
You don’t, and there are a wide variety of opinions amongst them I can assure you. |
Originally Posted by Joker89
(Post 10878976)
All this talk about Sweden but do any of you live there.
1. the hospital system was never over run. 2. Population density is quite high around the city’s with mostly apartment living. 3. Rarely a mask in sight 4. the only industries effected are Hotels and Aviation. 5. The “rights” of the individual have been respected by the politicians and there is no political power plays or fear mongering unlike Australia. but like everything in this world Australia thinks it knows best. Without a shadow of a doubt this virus was never bad enough for Armageddon. How about we just get on with it. The bats out of the bag. P.S check your facts - yes they were over run and took several weeks to get PPE and ICU up to speed. After that they were not over run. Rights were protected not respected read my prior post about the constitution and lock-down. So schools for above 15, and all universities were not shut down? |
It’s going to be hard having Victoria opened by Xmas going off many of these draft roadmaps leaking around.
Victoria needs to get to Stage 1 before Interstate is allowed. That’s weeks of zero cases. I’m more worried about what seems to be the impossibility of getting to Stage 2 let alone 1. Getting to Stage 2 involves 2 weeks with an average of 5 cases a day. Not even Sydney is nailing that target at the moment let alone Melbourne having any chance. |
Originally Posted by Ragnor
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The only reason there will be no demand for air travel is because the borders are closed. If air travel has not returned before two years QF VA REX and lot of other operators will cease to exist. The destruction will be a lot more than the loss of a few airlines as I’m sure you know. I do have a self interest you don’t that’s why you don’t care, soon will be a time when you’re directly affected then you might think a little different. My issue with it, all these premiers are doing the wrong thing they have broken rank and file to what was agreed in March. But, deep down like yourself they don’t care. Cant blame them either they have their financial position and livelihood that is very secure as they ride off into the sunset with their pensions funded by your business and many other tax paying resident, some will even be gone before this is all over.
Lots of people want to fly right now but the airlines are being constrained by various authorities. |
Originally Posted by Bend alot
(Post 10878997)
Great you are here to explain the death toll.
P.S check your facts - yes they were over run and took several weeks to get PPE and ICU up to speed. After that they were not over run. Rights were protected not respected read my prior post about the constitution and lock-down. So schools for above 15, and all universities were not shut down? if you’re so scared of death lock yourself away and let the rest of us live. |
fact: more people died in December 1993 than April 2020. if you’re so scared of death lock yourself away and let the rest of us live |
Very interesting. Where do you get info like that ? Was there a specific reason for Dec 93 being high? Ie a nasty war? In Victoria, there were 600 more deaths in July of 2019 compared to July of this year, in the midst of a pandemic. It’ll be interesting to see the August figures. Media hyperbole indeed! |
Originally Posted by wishiwasupthere
(Post 10879217)
Deaths registered per month
In Victoria, there were 600 more deaths in July of 2019 compared to July of this year, in the midst of a pandemic. It’ll be interesting to see the August figures. Media hyperbole indeed! |
Come March next year Dan will announce "Ok my fellow Victorians no more lockdowns, the good news you can all get back to work."
Business will then announce to Dan "excuse me premier their are no more businesses left in Victoria, they have all gone to the wall." |
Originally Posted by Climb150
(Post 10879227)
Its hard to drown/fall off a roof/die in a car crash when everyone is locked inside their houses!
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Everytime I see the title of this thread I think "not this week".
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Originally Posted by 73qanda
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Very interesting. Where do you get info like that ? Was there a specific reason for Dec 93 being high? Ie a nasty war?
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
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According to the girls (Medical) apparently not, it's a very common emerging issue. Not that I care personally, I'm retired, it's your medical certificate, your call., do whatever suits you.
I get the WA are not educated and are incapable like few other states of learning to live with the virus, like I said before soon it will affect you directly or someone close to you or a close friend and you will think different. Xmas will be the real test to the people’s loyalty to these dictator premiers. I’m educated enough by my states health system in what to do and how to keep living so I am happy to return to work wear a mask where appropriate increase personal hygiene etc as I don’t want to send my country into the oblivion because this affects my kids future now. |
Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10879252)
I get that WA are not educated and are incapable like few other states of learning to live with the virus, like I said before soon it will affect you directly or someone close to you or a close friend and you will think different. Xmas will be the real test to the people’s loyalty to these dictator premiers.
I’m educated enough by my states health system in what to do and how to keep living so I am happy to return to work wear a mask where appropriate increase personal hygiene etc as I don’t want to send my country into the oblivion because this affects my kids future now. |
Now you’re changing the subject to something totally irrelevant. This is not a debate over plastics and climate change go join the Greta fan page for that.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
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Now you’re changing the subject to something totally irrelevant. This is not a debate over plastics and climate change go join the Greta fan page for that.
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