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Green.Dot 9th Sep 2020 04:45


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10881208)
You did and there in lies your answer, perhaps that's the real problem with the world.

Ha ha, you have to be taking the p!ss.

Xeptu says ďitís not me, itís the worldĒ


Xeptu 9th Sep 2020 05:05

Well there's a counter argument for everything. I only want to know one thing. If your state falls, there are 2 options, lock down or let it rip. Which way will you vote.

jrfsp 9th Sep 2020 07:48

Of fairly significant news today, is BHP permanently axing interstate FIFO roles instead opting for WA based staff. I can see the other big resource companies following suit. This will have significant demand impacts in my view

Turnleft080 9th Sep 2020 08:39


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10881264)
Of fairly significant news today, is BHP permanently axing interstate FIFO roles instead opting for WA based staff. I can see the other big resource companies following suit. This will have significant demand impacts in my view

Was that an executive order from Dan was it. We can't have any Victorians making money. That is just not on. Not on my watch.
Send them back to the leper colony.

Maggie Island 9th Sep 2020 08:44


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10881292)
Was that an executive order from Dan was it. We can't have any Victorians making money. That is just not on. Not on my watch.
Send them back to the leper colony.

Melbourne?

Ragnor 9th Sep 2020 08:56

This will be interesting to see how it pans out, they couldn't fill those mining potions pre covid by WA residents obviously otherwise they wouldn't need eastern state workers to begin with.

goodonyamate 9th Sep 2020 08:56


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10881214)
Well there's a counter argument for everything. I only want to know one thing. If your state falls, there are 2 options, lock down or let it rip. Which way will you vote.


let it rip. We canít go on like this forever. The screaming will get louder when other people are affected by the end of jobkeeper.

dr dre 9th Sep 2020 08:57


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10881264)
Of fairly significant news today, is BHP permanently axing interstate FIFO roles instead opting for WA based staff. I can see the other big resource companies following suit. This will have significant demand impacts in my view

Obviously BHP isn't going to be getting FIFO workers from out of state into WA for the short term, so any new positions would obviously be staffed with WA locals. It would also save these companies money as I'm told the costs of moving out of state workers temporarily to WA are quite expensive. However, after the borders have come down, I would expect these requirements to be dropped, as there wouldn't need to be any need for them. Interstate FIFO is only a small proportion of overall FIFO anyway. You'd find mostly the companies would only pay for a ticket to/from Perth, and those who chose to live interstate then would buy their own ticket to their state of residence anyway. Once they're off their shift the mining company cannot control their movement.

I don't think a long term imposition of one state only residence would be constitutional anyway. Section 117 of the Constitution resident in any State, shall not be subject in any other State to any disability or discrimination which would not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen resident in such other state. So whilst it could be imposed whilst borders are closed once borders are open they wouldn't be able to get away with it.

KRviator 9th Sep 2020 09:05


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 10881264)
Of fairly significant news today, is BHP permanently axing interstate FIFO roles instead opting for WA based staff. I can see the other big resource companies following suit. This will have significant demand impacts in my view

Not really.. It's only for new positions. If enough WA residents wanted to actually do the bloody job in the first palce, there wouldn't be any need for interstate FIFO. The simple fact is, not enough of them want to do it, or are reliable enough (by that I mean actually taking the job and staying in it) to do the work. As recently as last month there were jobs going for loco driver's to do FIFO into Port Hedland with flights paid for to any capital city, not just Perth. When BHP find they can't get enough locals to do the job, we'll be right back where they were.


Originally Posted by WA Today
BHP to axe interstate FIFO work as mining industry conforms to WA's 'hard borders'
By Nathan Hondros and Hamish HastieSeptember 8, 2020 ó 10.11pm

BHP will shift much of its interstate FIFO workforce to Western Australia in the face of the state's border restrictions, requiring new operational employees to live in the state or be willing to move there. The move is in response to pressure from the state government, which has urged WA's resources sector to relocate its 7000-strong interstate workforce to reduce the risk of COVID-19 entering the state.

Before the pandemic interstate mine workers, a majority living in Queensland, supplemented WA's workforce. But BHP will now give preference to West Australian job applicants for operational jobs in its iron ore, nickel and petroleum operations, with some exceptions for maintenance and project based jobs. All job advertisements will stipulate the requirement that candidates must live in or be willing to move to WA for the duration of their employment.

The company has offered financial assistance for interstate employees to temporarily relocate to WA, which has resulted in over 800 employees moving to the state. The resources giant also offered incentives for employees already on the books willing to move to WA permanently.

Premier Mark McGowan has been on record urging resources companies to do more to move workers to WA or to employ WA workers first.

He said BHP had set a new benchmark for the rest of the industry, and encouraged other mining companies to follow. Mr McGowan said the move would have a positive impact across the state's economy, with more income generated from mining staying in WA.

"It means more West Australians will be employed in our resources industry," he said. "I look forward to more people making WA their home, just like I did when I was in the Navy and relocated to WA. "We donít believe flying in workers from over east is sustainable any longer."

After the state closed its borders in April, the industry was forced to negotiate travel exemptions and strict quarantines for its interstate workers."This is the time for the resources industry to rethink the way it employs workers in WA and move interstate workers here," Mr McGowan said.

"WA workers should be first in line for WA jobs. There are many West Australians that can perform the roles needed in the sector." Mr McGowan has asked the federal government to assist in helping it fill jobs in regional areas while the WA border is closed, calling on Prime Minister Scott Morrison to allow West Australians to keep their JobKeeper payments if they take up employment outside of major population centres. Source


neville_nobody 9th Sep 2020 09:31


WA workers should be first in line for WA jobs. There are many West Australians that can perform the roles needed in the sector." Mr McGowan has asked the federal government to assist in helping it fill jobs in regional areas while the WA border is closed, calling on Prime Minister Scott Morrison to allow West Australians to keep their JobKeeper payments if they take up employment outside of major population centre
So they want the Federal Government to pay for their decision to keep their borders closed again?

LapSap 9th Sep 2020 09:44


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10881180)
IMHO to appease the fact gatherers. It makes no difference if the borders are open, there still won't be too many passengers travelling anywhere, for what purpose, why do you think we are all going to rush to the airports and travel somewhere. Are you suggesting that alone will restore the economy.

Well you better ask the pax on the couple of thousand flights that I could see around me on my long range surveillance system at work in SE Asia this morning.....
Domestic traffic looking pretty lively in Japan, Korea, China, Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia to name a few.
Sure, cross border traffic is still slow til countries start trusting each other.
But gee, I guess they reckon its worth getting on with their lives! Hard as it may seem for you to imagine. Or you just think they're being reckless.

exfocx 9th Sep 2020 09:52

interstate FIFO
 
Plenty of these present interstate based FIFO started when there was a massive demand that couldn't be filled from here, however thats not been the case for a while, unfortunately for the companies you just can't sack workers because you've found a closer replacement. So those who are flying in at the expense of their employer are safe.

exfocx 9th Sep 2020 10:00


Originally Posted by LapSap (Post 10881342)
Well you better ask the pax on the couple of thousand flights that I could see around me on my long range surveillance system at work in SE Asia this morning.....
Domestic traffic looking pretty lively in Japan, Korea, China, Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia to name a few.
Sure, cross border traffic is still slow til countries start trusting each other.
But gee, I guess they reckon its worth getting on with their lives! Hard as it may seem for you to imagine. Or you just think they're being reckless.


Does your long range surveillance system also give you the load factor? Have a rellie in the US with Delta, lots of flights back up but loads way down.

Don't know if you read much, but lots of the data shows that where they have taken a lackadaisical approach to control the economy has taken a BIGGER hit than where they haven't. Now, maybe it's just my perverted view, but I'd have thought that if that's the case you expect that would flow through to people flying as well.

Turnleft080 9th Sep 2020 11:49


Originally Posted by Maggie Island (Post 10881296)
Melbourne?

Hey Maggie thanks for pointing out Melbourne is the capital of the leper colony.
Our health officer Mr Sutton actually threw Dan under the bus today.
Mr Sutton through all this wonderful modelling advised us today that the curfew was not calculated
when the road map was constructed. "Quite frankly not to sure where that came from".
This 8pm to 5am curfew looks like a mandated Danism he may of picked up when the Chinese brainwashed him
while walking along the Great China Wall. The one that keeps the rabbits out. Consulted only with the constabulary
which was given the powers to arrest grandmas sitting on park benches and pregnant women. The supercomputer never spat that out.
Dan gave it a good old bang like a B&W tv set still no joy on curfew. Stuff it it's now implicated.
Labor backbenches now starting to sweat. I wonder why? Interesting road map. Can't see any bitumen yet, all
gravel, pot holes, wet boggy patches.


Green.Dot 9th Sep 2020 11:58


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10881436)
Our health officer Mr Sutton actually threw Dan under the bus today.
Mr Sutton through all this wonderful modelling advised us today that the curfew was not calculated
when the road map was constructed. "Quite frankly not to sure where that came from"

Well I hope Sutton doesnít get the sack and locked up for challenging his leader. Dictator Dan will have him moved on in no time if he questions his decision making.

Xeptu 9th Sep 2020 12:29


Originally Posted by goodonyamate (Post 10881305)
let it rip. We canít go on like this forever. The screaming will get louder when other people are affected by the end of jobkeeper.

Well at least you have the balls to stand up and be counted, I respect that, well done you. it appears the rest of the soft cock whingers on here choose to quietly merge with the popular opinion when the time comes. what a surprise, not.

thisishardtochoose 9th Sep 2020 12:30


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10881436)
Hey Maggie thanks for pointing out Melbourne is the capital of the leper colony.
Our health officer Mr Sutton actually threw Dan under the bus today.
Mr Sutton through all this wonderful modelling advised us today that the curfew was not calculated
when the road map was constructed. "Quite frankly not to sure where that came from".
This 8pm to 5am curfew looks like a mandated Danism he may of picked up when the Chinese brainwashed him
while walking along the Great China Wall. The one that keeps the rabbits out. Consulted only with the constabulary
which was given the powers to arrest grandmas sitting on park benches and pregnant women. The supercomputer never spat that out.
Dan gave it a good old bang like a B&W tv set still no joy on curfew. Stuff it it's now implicated.
Labor backbenches now starting to sweat. I wonder why? Interesting road map. Can't see any bitumen yet, all
gravel, pot holes, wet boggy patches.

Came from the Victorian Police Commissioner.

Turnleft, You and I don't agree to much, but take this advice. Get some rest for the next couple of days and let go of the technology and media

Turnleft080 9th Sep 2020 12:36


Originally Posted by Green.Dot (Post 10881446)
Well I hope Sutton doesn’t get the sack and locked up for challenging his leader. Dictator Dan will have him moved on in no time if he questions his decision making.

I don't think it will come to that, if it did that will indicate to all vics they have hit the panic button. It feels like though they have already hit the panic button.
To put it aeronautically Dan has lost situational awareness. The stall warning is blaring, wing buffet occurred, AoA exceeded 16, nose & wing dropped and now he is in a spin.
Question is will he recover, does he know how to recover.

Roger thisishardtochoose. switching off have a good evening.

Xeptu 9th Sep 2020 12:48


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10881476)
Roger thisishardtochoose. switching off have a good evening.

Seat Belt sign off

Ragnor 9th Sep 2020 13:28


Originally Posted by Xeptu (Post 10881472)
Well at least you have the balls to stand up and be counted, I respect that, well done you. it appears the rest of the soft cock whingers on here choose to quietly merge with the popular opinion when the time comes. what a surprise, not.

thatís two for let it rip, cancel Jobkeeper tomorrow also expose the real unemployment and zombie business


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