Well there's a counter argument for everything. I only want to know one thing. If your state falls, there are 2 options, lock down or let it rip. Which way will you vote.
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Of fairly significant news today, is BHP permanently axing interstate FIFO roles instead opting for WA based staff. I can see the other big resource companies following suit. This will have significant demand impacts in my view
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Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 10881264)
Of fairly significant news today, is BHP permanently axing interstate FIFO roles instead opting for WA based staff. I can see the other big resource companies following suit. This will have significant demand impacts in my view
Send them back to the leper colony. |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10881292)
Was that an executive order from Dan was it. We can't have any Victorians making money. That is just not on. Not on my watch.
Send them back to the leper colony. |
This will be interesting to see how it pans out, they couldn't fill those mining potions pre covid by WA residents obviously otherwise they wouldn't need eastern state workers to begin with.
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 10881214)
Well there's a counter argument for everything. I only want to know one thing. If your state falls, there are 2 options, lock down or let it rip. Which way will you vote.
let it rip. We can’t go on like this forever. The screaming will get louder when other people are affected by the end of jobkeeper. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 10881264)
Of fairly significant news today, is BHP permanently axing interstate FIFO roles instead opting for WA based staff. I can see the other big resource companies following suit. This will have significant demand impacts in my view
I don't think a long term imposition of one state only residence would be constitutional anyway. Section 117 of the Constitution resident in any State, shall not be subject in any other State to any disability or discrimination which would not be equally applicable to him if he were a subject of the Queen resident in such other state. So whilst it could be imposed whilst borders are closed once borders are open they wouldn't be able to get away with it. |
Originally Posted by jrfsp
(Post 10881264)
Of fairly significant news today, is BHP permanently axing interstate FIFO roles instead opting for WA based staff. I can see the other big resource companies following suit. This will have significant demand impacts in my view
Originally Posted by WA Today
BHP to axe interstate FIFO work as mining industry conforms to WA's 'hard borders'
By Nathan Hondros and Hamish HastieSeptember 8, 2020 — 10.11pm BHP will shift much of its interstate FIFO workforce to Western Australia in the face of the state's border restrictions, requiring new operational employees to live in the state or be willing to move there. The move is in response to pressure from the state government, which has urged WA's resources sector to relocate its 7000-strong interstate workforce to reduce the risk of COVID-19 entering the state. Before the pandemic interstate mine workers, a majority living in Queensland, supplemented WA's workforce. But BHP will now give preference to West Australian job applicants for operational jobs in its iron ore, nickel and petroleum operations, with some exceptions for maintenance and project based jobs. All job advertisements will stipulate the requirement that candidates must live in or be willing to move to WA for the duration of their employment. The company has offered financial assistance for interstate employees to temporarily relocate to WA, which has resulted in over 800 employees moving to the state. The resources giant also offered incentives for employees already on the books willing to move to WA permanently. Premier Mark McGowan has been on record urging resources companies to do more to move workers to WA or to employ WA workers first. He said BHP had set a new benchmark for the rest of the industry, and encouraged other mining companies to follow. Mr McGowan said the move would have a positive impact across the state's economy, with more income generated from mining staying in WA. "It means more West Australians will be employed in our resources industry," he said. "I look forward to more people making WA their home, just like I did when I was in the Navy and relocated to WA. "We don’t believe flying in workers from over east is sustainable any longer." After the state closed its borders in April, the industry was forced to negotiate travel exemptions and strict quarantines for its interstate workers."This is the time for the resources industry to rethink the way it employs workers in WA and move interstate workers here," Mr McGowan said. "WA workers should be first in line for WA jobs. There are many West Australians that can perform the roles needed in the sector." Mr McGowan has asked the federal government to assist in helping it fill jobs in regional areas while the WA border is closed, calling on Prime Minister Scott Morrison to allow West Australians to keep their JobKeeper payments if they take up employment outside of major population centres. Source |
WA workers should be first in line for WA jobs. There are many West Australians that can perform the roles needed in the sector." Mr McGowan has asked the federal government to assist in helping it fill jobs in regional areas while the WA border is closed, calling on Prime Minister Scott Morrison to allow West Australians to keep their JobKeeper payments if they take up employment outside of major population centre |
Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 10881180)
IMHO to appease the fact gatherers. It makes no difference if the borders are open, there still won't be too many passengers travelling anywhere, for what purpose, why do you think we are all going to rush to the airports and travel somewhere. Are you suggesting that alone will restore the economy.
Domestic traffic looking pretty lively in Japan, Korea, China, Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia to name a few. Sure, cross border traffic is still slow til countries start trusting each other. But gee, I guess they reckon its worth getting on with their lives! Hard as it may seem for you to imagine. Or you just think they're being reckless. |
interstate FIFO
Plenty of these present interstate based FIFO started when there was a massive demand that couldn't be filled from here, however thats not been the case for a while, unfortunately for the companies you just can't sack workers because you've found a closer replacement. So those who are flying in at the expense of their employer are safe.
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Originally Posted by LapSap
(Post 10881342)
Well you better ask the pax on the couple of thousand flights that I could see around me on my long range surveillance system at work in SE Asia this morning.....
Domestic traffic looking pretty lively in Japan, Korea, China, Thailand, Vietnam and Indonesia to name a few. Sure, cross border traffic is still slow til countries start trusting each other. But gee, I guess they reckon its worth getting on with their lives! Hard as it may seem for you to imagine. Or you just think they're being reckless. Does your long range surveillance system also give you the load factor? Have a rellie in the US with Delta, lots of flights back up but loads way down. Don't know if you read much, but lots of the data shows that where they have taken a lackadaisical approach to control the economy has taken a BIGGER hit than where they haven't. Now, maybe it's just my perverted view, but I'd have thought that if that's the case you expect that would flow through to people flying as well. |
Originally Posted by Maggie Island
(Post 10881296)
Melbourne?
Our health officer Mr Sutton actually threw Dan under the bus today. Mr Sutton through all this wonderful modelling advised us today that the curfew was not calculated when the road map was constructed. "Quite frankly not to sure where that came from". This 8pm to 5am curfew looks like a mandated Danism he may of picked up when the Chinese brainwashed him while walking along the Great China Wall. The one that keeps the rabbits out. Consulted only with the constabulary which was given the powers to arrest grandmas sitting on park benches and pregnant women. The supercomputer never spat that out. Dan gave it a good old bang like a B&W tv set still no joy on curfew. Stuff it it's now implicated. Labor backbenches now starting to sweat. I wonder why? Interesting road map. Can't see any bitumen yet, all gravel, pot holes, wet boggy patches. |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10881436)
Our health officer Mr Sutton actually threw Dan under the bus today.
Mr Sutton through all this wonderful modelling advised us today that the curfew was not calculated when the road map was constructed. "Quite frankly not to sure where that came from" |
Originally Posted by goodonyamate
(Post 10881305)
let it rip. We can’t go on like this forever. The screaming will get louder when other people are affected by the end of jobkeeper.
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Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10881436)
Hey Maggie thanks for pointing out Melbourne is the capital of the leper colony.
Our health officer Mr Sutton actually threw Dan under the bus today. Mr Sutton through all this wonderful modelling advised us today that the curfew was not calculated when the road map was constructed. "Quite frankly not to sure where that came from". This 8pm to 5am curfew looks like a mandated Danism he may of picked up when the Chinese brainwashed him while walking along the Great China Wall. The one that keeps the rabbits out. Consulted only with the constabulary which was given the powers to arrest grandmas sitting on park benches and pregnant women. The supercomputer never spat that out. Dan gave it a good old bang like a B&W tv set still no joy on curfew. Stuff it it's now implicated. Labor backbenches now starting to sweat. I wonder why? Interesting road map. Can't see any bitumen yet, all gravel, pot holes, wet boggy patches. Turnleft, You and I don't agree to much, but take this advice. Get some rest for the next couple of days and let go of the technology and media |
Originally Posted by Green.Dot
(Post 10881446)
Well I hope Sutton doesn’t get the sack and locked up for challenging his leader. Dictator Dan will have him moved on in no time if he questions his decision making.
To put it aeronautically Dan has lost situational awareness. The stall warning is blaring, wing buffet occurred, AoA exceeded 16, nose & wing dropped and now he is in a spin. Question is will he recover, does he know how to recover. Roger thisishardtochoose. switching off have a good evening. |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10881476)
Roger thisishardtochoose. switching off have a good evening.
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
(Post 10881472)
Well at least you have the balls to stand up and be counted, I respect that, well done you. it appears the rest of the soft cock whingers on here choose to quietly merge with the popular opinion when the time comes. what a surprise, not.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10881505)
that’s two for let it rip, cancel Jobkeeper tomorrow also expose the real unemployment and zombie business
That's dependant on what happens in NSW, if it falls then GDP will fall to minus 10% as well. |
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Why we are not "letting it rip", from an epidemiologist. Old news, btw.
"allowing it to just rip through the community does not get rid of it. What happens is, you have cycling epidemics" - Professor Raina MacIntyre (MBBS Hons 1, FRACP, FAFPHM, M App Epid, PhD) is NHMRC Principal Research Fellow and Professor of Global Biosecurity. |
Originally Posted by vne165
(Post 10881513)
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Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose
(Post 10881556)
And not one of them is an Epidemiologist. I wouldn't be surprised these Doctors are only speaking up because it's actually hurting their own pockets and are being egged on by the Victorian Libs
But they are learned. That counts. |
Originally Posted by vne165
(Post 10881562)
No, perhaps not Epidemiologists.
But they are learned. That counts. So no it does not count. |
Originally Posted by thisishardtochoose
(Post 10881556)
And not one of them is an Epidemiologist. I wouldn't be surprised these Doctors are only speaking up because it's actually hurting their own pockets and are being egged on by the Victorian Libs
As far as the named signers go, there’s quite a few of them who have some far out political views, and who actively run political campaigns on them. Fundamentalist Christians and a lot of anti gay views too. Leading me to believe it’s a small group of fundamentalist doctors with a political motive not a health one. |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10881436)
Interesting road map. Can't see any bitumen yet, all gravel, pot holes, wet boggy patches.
Sad to see the country revert to party lines & State Parochialism that hasn't existed for roughly 120 years now. |
It will be interesting to see the latest BIRE data when it is released , think for month of June 19 as compared to June 20 went from
5 million to 400k. I think August 20 will be much worse , maybe around 200 k of RPT So lifting about 4% of total load, domestic is effectively closed To a large degree what is occurring OS just isn't relevant to the decision making here , our guys/gals(State/Territory leaders) are on their own path, genuinely believe they know more & are the smartest going around. & that you Joe Average citizen is stupid & ignorant - that is why they talk to you with bubsy babytalk Only states that are open to each other are SA, Qld, NT ; Tas ? - impossible to tell from online information what they are doing WA closed to everyone & QLD stating they will remain closed to Vic/NSW until 28 days of zero new cases (hasn't been achieved anywhere) Everywhere (aside from NT , but 14 days quarantine) closed to NSW & Vic , NSW closed to Vic , Vic open to all Aussies (as is NSW , aside from Vic ?) It's difficult to get your head around how complex it is in Australia atm. What is ACT doing ? It is looking fairly certain domestic will remain as it is now (effectively closed) over the summer holiday period , likely what the State & Territory leaders want Domestic to "maybe" start proper beginning of 2021 , assuming Vic gets Covid under control & no third wave & no significant outbreak elsewhere in Australia & no imported cases if one of our illustrious State Leaders does a dash for cash by allowing large numbers of OS students back early 2021 & then mucking up hotel quarantine. How could that happen with the team of living legends we have running our states & territories - they are the best of the best You can throw all the data & expert medical & science opinions to our State & Territory leaders , they won't listen. All just loving the attention & limelight right now running their own little fiefdoms Great if people are organising petitions, I just think it you got all the medicos/scientists who aren't on the Govt payroll these characters will just raise both middle fingers , give you an arrogant put down & then ignore you The only concern of the Vict Govt is re-election, the fact that many people have passed as a direct result of how they handled many aspects of Covid is of absolutely no consideration. It is firstly about your own personal political survival and then party re-election & hopefully a greater majority, the number of bodies in the ground - that doesn't come into it Not good numbers domestic at 4% ,international (meaning QF/VA/JQ) at 0% , 7.5 months in |
Originally Posted by Maggie Island
(Post 10881087)
Any party that’s happy to front the next election with a ~1000% tobacco tax will definitely get my vote!
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Originally Posted by highflyer40
(Post 10881834)
To start with I’m a non smoker and hate the smell. The big BUT here is would you also vote in that same party with a 1000% tax on alcohol? It’s a bit hypocritical to jump on the things you don’t like and deprive a fellow citizen but not feel the same about your own vices.
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My advice from the police was that everybody has an excuse why they were out all the time. The only way to stop the BS was quarantine. It also helped the police in other ways. The only illegal drivers were crooks. There have been some magnificent car chases as a result - with no bystanders to get injured. One was so long that a police chopper actually stopped to refuel.
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
(Post 10881851)
My advice from the police was that everybody has an excuse why they were out all the time. The only way to stop the BS was quarantine. It also helped the police in other ways. The only illegal drivers were crooks. There have been some magnificent car chases as a result - with no bystanders to get injured. One was so long that a police chopper actually stopped to refuel.
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And not one of them is an Epidemiologist. As far as the named signers go, theres quite a few of them who have some far out political views, and who actively run political campaigns on them. Fundamentalist Christians and a lot of anti gay views too. Leading me to believe its a small group of fundamentalist doctors with a political motive not a health one. |
Originally Posted by 601
(Post 10881967)
These views sound very similar to comments when debating CC.
“who cares what those biased “scientists” with their “PhDs” and their “decades of experience” in climatology who work for laughable groups like NASA or the CSIRO think, I’ve watched a couple of YouTube clips of Alan Jones and read some Andrew Bolt columns, so I know infinitely more about this topic than the “so called experts”.....” |
Looks like the border closures are creating some issues, how long will Queen P hold her ground!https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/...bca5?width=650Sarah Caisip (left) with her father Bernard Prendergast and younger sister Isobel Prendergast, 11 |
C’mon Ragnor, let’s not be too critical of Premier Pinochet! It’s all in the interests of public health ;)
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Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 10882002)
You’re exactly right, just replace “climate scientist” with “epidemiologist”....:
“who cares what those biased “scientists” with their “PhDs” and their “decades of experience” in climatology who work for laughable groups like NASA or the CSIRO think, I’ve watched a couple of YouTube clips of Alan Jones and read some Andrew Bolt columns, so I know infinitely more about this topic than the “so called experts”.....” A good read on the scientific experts of today! https://www.euroscientist.com/a-refl...ious-features/ |
A question to Dr dre
In the mid 80s we had a disease called AIDS. Did the WHO advise all governments to shut down the economies and tell all pollies to close all borders. Did the premiers at the time give out curfews. All they said is go via the chemist to practice your horizontal recreation. The grim reaper adds were like the population is doomed as we know it. We didn't have the premier coming to the mic, day in day out, saying we have so many deaths in their age groups..... It would of been John Cain at the time. He wouldn't be carrying on like this drongo we got at the moment. AIDS & Covid. Two diseases that will put you in a box though going about it very differently. Use a condom for one and use a face mask, sanitiser, and whatever social distance for the other. Doesn't make sense does it. I know stupid isn't it. Can't wait for the mixed answers on this one. |
So, if we should ignore the opinions of any doctor who isn’t an epidemiologist, it follows that I’m right to ignore the likes of Tim Flannery, as he’s not a climate scientist.
Got it. |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10882029)
A question to Dr dre
In the mid 80s we had a disease called AIDS. Did the WHO advise all governments to shut down the economies and tell all pollies to close all borders. Did the premiers at the time give out curfews. The other is transmitted only via intercourse, IV needle sharing and blood transfusions. Two totally different methods of transmission for two totally different viruses so obviously the responses will be different. The grim reaper adds were like the population is doomed as we know it. |
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