And to relax controls before everyone who wants it has had the opportunity for double vaccination is morally reprehensible. |
Looks like Queensland’s time is up.
A outbreak is about the only thing that will get this woeful vax rate up. My fellow citizens up here need a massive kick up the ar$e. |
Originally Posted by neville_nobody
(Post 11117855)
But leaving people to die alone, blowing up the economy, taking away people's lively hood, destroying businesses isn't???
But may well happen if the controls are relaxed too early. |
But she says ‘there’s no need to panic’ PoppaJo, not yet at least….maybe after the grand final though, then she’ll panic. Oh the hypocrisy of it all………
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Originally Posted by No Idea Either
(Post 11117874)
But she says ‘there’s no need to panic’ PoppaJo, not yet at least….maybe after the grand final though, then she’ll panic. Oh the hypocrisy of it all………
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Originally Posted by WingNut60
(Post 11117846)
The 70 / 80% proposal has NEVER been sufficiently explained to the Oz public.
Ask most which group the 70 - 80% applies to and they'll have no idea. And do the masses understand that these rates are all about keeping the health systems in functioning order and that preventing deaths is only a side-benefit? I doubt it. And to relax controls before everyone who wants it has had the opportunity for double vaccination is morally reprehensible. |
Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
(Post 11117894)
As is sitting on a billion dollar surplus while overseeing a maxed-out health system; COVID not included.
Nor do I know where the problem might lie. I last heard that the Fiona Stanley Hospital had floors still empty. I suspect that it's mainly about lack of staff rather than facilities. I stand to be corrected. McGowan is doing himself no favours by failing to respond to the criticism. But I do refer to my previous post; what is the quick fix for the current situation? I can see no improvement in staffing levels until the international border opens and immigration resumes. |
Yep. It has little to do with money and much to do with expertise.
Without immigration Australia's public health system would collapse. That's why there's an ongoing scramble to import expertise through Australia's 'closed' international borders. |
Originally Posted by Lead Balloon
(Post 11117922)
Yep. It has little to do with money and much to do with expertise.
Without immigration Australia's public health system would collapse. That's why there's an ongoing scramble to import expertise through Australia's 'closed' international borders. https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...28-p58vb0.html And to be fair they are claiming to be doing something about it but it's questionable why this wasn't done sooner. https://www.watoday.com.au/national/...08-p58guu.html |
Questionable? It's unquestionably abject incompetence.
But because Australia's used to make the quickest buck the laziest way, it's become highly dependent on the immigration Ponzi scheme. It's impossible to grow enough doctors and nurses quickly enough locally, because it's just that. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11117860)
Looks like Queensland’s time is up.
A outbreak is about the only thing that will get this woeful vax rate up. My fellow citizens up here need a massive kick up the ar$e. |
Wasn't Queen P having a soiree of her couple of hundred/thousand closest money contributors in the near future.
Now will THAT continue, one must get one's priorities straight. |
The NRL GF will go ahead no doubts there. Come Tuesday tho, state wide lockdown have to quach the virus, QLDnrs you’re doing a great job blah blah blah. Whilst NSW, ACT and Victoria will very much enjoy a 2019 style xmas I think QLD will be spending it alone and isolated not only from the country, but, even their next door neighbors. .
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They only start lockdowns in school holidays!
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Victoria reported 1,438 cases yesterday.
Also reported that 93% of these cases were unvaccinated. In a couple of weeks about 7% of theses cases will end up in hospital (~100) with about 1% (~14) likely to end up in ICU. The unvaccinated are going to cause the hospital system grief for some time yet. |
News in the last few hours which I'm sure everyone has heard via other means but Gladys has resigned. Expects the party to elect a new leader/Premier in the next few days and she will also resign from Parliament.
Apparently the ICAC Inquiry hasn't gone away and she's seen a sword and fallen on it. |
Originally Posted by layman
(Post 11119398)
Victoria reported 1,438 cases yesterday.
Also reported that 93% of these cases were unvaccinated. In a couple of weeks about 7% of theses cases will end up in hospital (~100) with about 1% (~14) likely to end up in ICU. The unvaccinated are going to cause the hospital system grief for some time yet. |
With ScoMo opening the international borders, I can now feasibly travel Sydney to Singapore, before I can go to Brisbane or Perth. Or Adelaide or Hobart for that matter.
A pleasing step but still incredibly frustrating! |
Originally Posted by lc_461
(Post 11119533)
With ScoMo opening the international borders, I can now feasibly travel Sydney to Singapore, before I can go to Brisbane or Perth. Or Adelaide or Hobart for that matter.
A pleasing step but still incredibly frustrating! https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/australia/atp/notice Short-term visitors with travel history to Australia, within the last 21 days before departure for Singapore, will not be allowed to enter Singapore with effect from 2 July 2021, 2359hrs (Singapore time). Please refer to the press release here issued by the Singapore Ministry of Health (MOH) dated 30 June 2021. With immediate effect, applications for the ATP for short-term visitors travelling from Australia will be suspended until further notice. |
Originally Posted by AerialPerspective
(Post 11119484)
News in the last few hours which I'm sure everyone has heard via other means but Gladys has resigned. Expects the party to elect a new leader/Premier in the next few days and she will also resign from Parliament.
Apparently the ICAC Inquiry hasn't gone away and she's seen a sword and fallen on it. |
is that correct?
https://safetravel.ica.gov.sg/australia/atp/notice Quote: Short-term visitors with travel history to Australia, within the last 21 days before departure for Singapore, will not be allowed to enter Singapore with effect from 2 July 2021, 2359hrs (Singapore time). Please refer to the press release here issued by the Singapore Ministry of Health (MOH) dated 30 June 2021. With immediate effect, applications for the ATP for short-term visitors travelling from Australia will be suspended until further notice. Not sure about SIN, that info is a little old but UK and USA will be fine. I think there is a slight issue with the US recognising the Aussie AZ but that will be sorted. If SIN still hold the same requirements well, they are destroying their hopes of them being an effective hub carrier. In fact I think a lot of the big hub carriers futures are in doubt. |
Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink
(Post 11119589)
Let’s hope this has no bearing on NSW’s plan to open up….
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective
(Post 11119623)
I doubt it will, but it's probably more bad news for Morrison, a scandal in the biggest State and one he's accused of being PM of (a la 'Prime Minister for NSW') as it's one of the States he has to hold in next years election. Although there has been some signs (such as not confirming he's going to Glasgow later in the year) that some are pointing to as potential that we could be looking at a November/December Federal Election. IMHO that would be idiotic, just out of lockdown to put poeple in queues at polling places just to make sure there's every chance for the virus to spread.......
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11119904)
Judging by the 'should've been Dan' content on social media I doubt there will be any effect on voting intention.
https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bad19888e.jpeg |
Originally Posted by Green.Dot
(Post 11119963)
Difference is Dan wouldn’t have resigned or stepped aside. So we’d be stuck with him regardless, just like now. Sadly the slogan hasn’t aged well.
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Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11119904)
Judging by the 'should've been Dan' content on social media I doubt there will be any effect on voting intention.
I don't care what people think of the ALP, they couldn't possibly be worse than these morons. And, just a tip, social media (aka 'twitter storms' and 'trending' on facebook) are basically an amplification of a vocal minority, they do not represent reality. The Victorian people on a whole are widely supportive of Dan Andrews - the so-called protesters are NOT protesters, they are rancid scum who throw rocks, bottles and urine on police and journalists and desecrate public property and they do not confine themselves to those acts either, with many health organisations having had to direct their nurses and doctors to remove or cover up any identifying clothing or badges/passes to avoid what has happened recently, including abuse of health workers in the street on their way to work and the closure of a vaccination hub because health workers were abused and were doused in urine. Not many Victorians have problems with the police dousing them in capsicum spray or using rubber bullets because they are sick to death of these morons on our streets (not to mention the thousands of cases of Covid that have resulted). I actually think there's a coiled spring in the electorate that is just waiting to take out all it's frustrations on Morrison and his government. The last election (2019) when people were all saying the ALP and Shorten were going to trounce the LNP, I was saying that the election was going to be a LOT closer than everyone and the polls were saying. This time I estimate it will be a lot LESS close than people expect, there is a feeling out there that just one too many lies and BS excuses has been spouted by the happy-clappy-slogan-bogan and like happened with Howard, he just lied too many times and eventually people decided whatever came next was worth a try. I'm not taking a position or advocating what should happen, despite my feelings about the pathetic performance of this government (I could say the same about pink bats) but just what I see in comments people make to me, there is a palpable sense of anger and it's not what is imagined to be portrayed by the rioters and their Sky After Dark amplification system. |
If Twitter was the real world the Greens would be in charge, the entire nation would be in lock down, and those fortunate to be working would be paying 60% in tax.
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Judging by what I see on my feeds a lot of 'Dan' haters don't even live in Victoria. Same as those hating on McGowan are not from WA. Not saying that anti Dan people don't exist in Victoria and Melbourne, they most definitely do, but a lot of the waft is from people not in that state. As far as the so called tradie protests, every tradie I know hates them because they blame them for not being able to work, not Dan. Apparently there's a glut of 'only used once' hi-vis work wear on ebay since the protests.
and those fortunate to be working would be paying 60% in tax. |
Originally Posted by Keg
(Post 11120002)
If Twitter was the real world the Greens would be in charge, the entire nation would be in lock down, and those fortunate to be working would be paying 60% in tax.
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Its hard not to bite on Political Dogma you have to put up with in Vic
Number plates that proudly proclaim "The Education State" , my understanding is that the calibre of year 12 standards in Vic is now pretty much the lowest of the mainland states from likely at the to in 70/80s (thanks Joan) Can somebody answer me this please Cases currently circa 1500 per day in Melbourne/Vict (its a one city state), and rising rapidly - could bust through 3000 in a couple of weeks (& let's just hope that does not happen) Who will let Melb people into their state for Christmas - 80 days away ? WA definite no, Tas seems very cautious - I would say no Qld probably no ? ; story the other day about a ton of qld residents being locked out camping on NSW border , waiting to return to Qld for long time now SA , not sure ; NT - who knows NSW again not sure , the challenge might be getting back to Victoria from NSW Great the vax rates are going up but even at >70% , nudging 80% of over 16s are the non-covid states really going to say yes we don't give a rats about your case numbers , they have no relevance - the Vics are more than welcome to travel to our state Would very much like to take a break from Melb (full vax etc) , but for the life of me would not understand why a covid-free jurisdiction would let us in as we will bring death & destruction to you Why also is Vict talking about "opening up" and easing restrictions when the graph of +ve case numbers is looking , well really rather vertical What am I missing in this little scenario , why can't I see the happy & wonderful picture(succulent Roast Turkeys & families together from all over Australia) that the Politicians seem to repeat & repeat & repeat ? |
Because you have to open up, you can not stay locked away expecting to get to and stay at zero covid it’s lunacy. Open the god damn country up.
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
(Post 11120907)
Would very much like to take a break from Melb (full vax etc) , but for the life of me would not understand why a covid-free jurisdiction would let us in as we will bring death & destruction to you Anna won’t be imposing lockdown restrictions on me at 90%. Police can fine me all they want. Absolute madness. Canavan will have a meltdown. |
Even Jacinda has revoked her "Covid-Zero" target today. I do thoroughly enjoy how politicians everywhere weasel out of their previous commitments.
Under mounting pressure, Ms Ardern said her strategy was never to have zero cases, but to aggressively stamp out the virus. |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11120979)
Even Jacinda has revoked her "Covid-Zero" target today. I do thoroughly enjoy how politicians everywhere weasel out of their previous commitments.
We don't want Covid Zero but we do want to aggressively stamp out the virus. Idungeddit...:ugh: |
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Good luck with getting people vaccinated promptly with no virus about. Look no further than those sand gropers out West and banana benders up North. They lag behind the rest of the country with vaccinations because there's no virus! The outbreaks that NSW and VIC are experiencing now is the cricket bat to the face that the country needed to collectively wake up the population that they are not immune from this worldwide pandemic. |
Originally Posted by Fuel-Off
(Post 11121441)
Good luck with getting people vaccinated promptly with no virus about. Look no further than those sand gropers out West and banana benders up North. They lag behind the rest of the country with vaccinations because there's no virus!
The outbreaks that NSW and VIC are experiencing now is the cricket bat to the face that the country needed to collectively wake up the population that they are not immune from this worldwide pandemic. Quite astonishing how many people in my local area have no interest in any vaccine. I reckon not even half my street has had it. |
Originally Posted by PoppaJo
(Post 11121444)
We are screaming out for a Delta outbreak. Everyone needs a massive kick up the ar$e up here.
Quite astonishing how many people in my local area have no interest in any vaccine. I reckon not even half my street has had it. |
Originally Posted by Fuel-Off
(Post 11121441)
Good luck with getting people vaccinated promptly with no virus about. Look no further than those sand gropers out West and banana benders up North. They lag behind the rest of the country with vaccinations because there's no virus!
The outbreaks that NSW and VIC are experiencing now is the cricket bat to the face that the country needed to collectively wake up the population that they are not immune from this worldwide pandemic. |
Originally Posted by Ladloy
(Post 11121481)
Vaccine levels would have been adequate with more vaccine supply, much earlier than planned. They had the chance to do so.
But of course both State and Federal governments were resting on their laurels, no covid, we're all safe and it's not a race (to get vaccinated). Complacency set in and Australia is a good six months behind the rest of the world from opening up again (in QLD and WA's case, if ever). Sydney and Melbourne certainly were the 'outbreaks we had to have' (sorry Mr Keating). |
The feds did order enough vaccine they had two choices they made it and supply would never had been an issue. The media tarnished the AZ so bad no one wanted it. The same issue could of happened if they went with Pfizer and it’s issues with the heart.
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