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A320 Flyer 2nd Mar 2021 07:13

Saw in the papers today McClown wants to keep the borders closed beyond COVID. He might win this election but the place will be decimated if he gets his way on this one

jrfsp 2nd Mar 2021 07:45


Originally Posted by A320 Flyer (Post 11000194)
Saw in the papers today McClown wants to keep the borders closed beyond COVID. He might win this election but the place will be decimated if he gets his way on this one

https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/...01-p576r5.html

Its only regarding inspections of freight at the border, which during covid increased and uncovered more drugs than normal.....No need to blow it out of context.

McLimit 2nd Mar 2021 07:59


If the medical profession were secretly controlling politicians then we’d have bans on things like Tobacco, Alcohol advertising, Trans Fats, junior contact sports etc.
Ya reckon? And put themselves out of work? What would they do instead, go out and get their pilot's licence?

neville_nobody 2nd Mar 2021 08:24


Its only regarding inspections of freight at the border, which during covid increased and uncovered more drugs than normal.....No need to blow it out of context.

Originally he said they wanted to track everybody inbound and keep the hard border. He was looking into keeping the G2G App as passport control. Everyone would have to apply to enter WA.

By the afternoon he had changed his mind. Or had it changed for him.

Icarus2001 2nd Mar 2021 08:29

The "hard border" was only deemed legal for virus control, not at the whim of a premier who likes the idea.

A320 Flyer 2nd Mar 2021 08:40

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....5c0b7eb53.jpeg

Buster Hyman 2nd Mar 2021 12:20


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11000226)
The "hard border" was only deemed legal for virus control, not at the whim of a premier who likes the idea.

Yes, I think S117 should put an end to that one.

In the meantime, Comrade Chairman is looking to extend his Emergency powers, and the Watermelons are right behind him! :suspect:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...02-p576zs.html

Icarus2001 2nd Mar 2021 22:44

An update to my figures above.

I calculated around 82,000 vaccinations were required each day to be on target for October. See by maths above.

I just saw on the ABC that their graph showed 198,000 required per day. (It must be true as it was on tv)

I guess they are allowing for TWO shots per person, I only allowed for ONE.

Dannyboy39 3rd Mar 2021 06:22


Originally Posted by Buster Hyman (Post 11000360)
Yes, I think S117 should put an end to that one.

In the meantime, Comrade Chairman is looking to extend his Emergency powers, and the Watermelons are right behind him! :suspect:

https://www.theage.com.au/national/v...02-p576zs.html

This is insanity looking from afar. In the short term, right; but 9 months??

Australopithecus 3rd Mar 2021 08:09

I imagine that chief health officers are counselling that Covid might be the gift that keeps on giving to neo-potentates everywhere. Already you can read worrisome advice that the pace of mutations might result in a mutant strain able to escape* the vaccines.

*(immunologist term. Means what you think it does)

The Cassandra-like cautions suggest that we may still end up back at square one dealing with this virus. So nine months worth of scope is either crazy cautious or fetchingly innocent. Someone wake me when its over.

goodonyamate 3rd Mar 2021 08:45


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11000207)
https://www.watoday.com.au/politics/...01-p576r5.html

Its only regarding inspections of freight at the border, which during covid increased and uncovered more drugs than normal.....No need to blow it out of context.

important for Mcclown to support the local meth dealers. Nothing like boosting your homemade supply. Moron.

dr dre 3rd Mar 2021 11:30


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 11000832)
I imagine that chief health officers are counselling that Covid might be the gift that keeps on giving to neo-potentates everywhere. Already you can read worrisome advice that the pace of mutations might result in a mutant strain able to escape* the vaccines.

*(immunologist term. Means what you think it does)

The Cassandra-like cautions suggest that we may still end up back at square one dealing with this virus. So nine months worth of scope is either crazy cautious or fetchingly innocent. Someone wake me when its over.

All the scientific commentary I've seen has stated that scientists don't believe current mutations will "escape" the vaccine.

Coronavirus: a single ‘escape mutant’ shouldn’t render a vaccine useless

First vaccine received gets your immune system to create antibodies against SARS-COV-2, which the human body doesn't have unless you've been infected. For next season, probably around the time you usually get a flu vaccine you get a Covid vaccine as well. In time both vaccines may be able to be delivered simultaneously. With mRNA technology we can develop these vaccines targeted towards the expected strains at record speed.

It's actually quite exciting to see how the revolution in medical technology will defeat this pandemic.

Joker89 3rd Mar 2021 11:54


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 11000976)

It's actually quite exciting to see how the revolution in medical technology will defeat this pandemic.

yes that deadly Spanish flu really dragged on compared to this one, it also came back again and again, if only modern technology was around to shave a few months off 100 years ago. We have come so far.

Derfred 3rd Mar 2021 16:38

It’s strange, isn’t it Dr Dre.

When I talk to my family, they have a reasonable understanding of the virus, the vaccine, and the repercussions.

When I talk to my neighbours, they have a reasonable understanding of the virus, the vaccine, and the repercussions.

When I go to the shops, or the pub, or a restaurant, they have a reasonable understanding of the virus, the vaccine, and the repercussions.

When I go to work, and talk to my fellow pilots, they have a reasonable understanding of the virus, the vaccine, and the repercussions.

But when I look at PPRuNe, all I see is crap like this:


yes that deadly Spanish flu really dragged on compared to this one, it also came back again and again, if only modern technology was around to shave a few months off 100 years ago. We have come so far.

Joker89 4th Mar 2021 00:43

Haha, if you truly believe this pandemic has been controlled by governments and modern medical science that’s a matter for you. Dan Andrew’s thanks you for your vote.

601 4th Mar 2021 13:12


But when I look at PPRuNe, all I see is crap like this:
And in certain sections of the media.

LoganShawn17 5th Mar 2021 14:33

I understand people,who vote for borders to be open. But if you are a freelancer working with employee monitoring software installed, you can work even at home. I'm talking about IT now

IWannaFly2020 7th Mar 2021 02:20

Howard Springs.
 
Seems Howard Springs is the solution. 2000 people a fortnight. How is QF going to have enough planes and crews to do it??

On eyre 7th Mar 2021 08:57


Originally Posted by IWannaFly2020 (Post 11003537)
Seems Howard Springs is the solution. 2000 people a fortnight. How is QF going to have enough planes and crews to do it??

The Alliance jungle jet shuttle 😜

Global Aviator 7th Mar 2021 09:09

2000 people a fortnight is good news, so does it mean it ramps up to a rolling 2000 people in the facility? 172 in at a time on the 787. Great news for the domestic airlines as most also need a domestic flight on release.

International travel ain’t gunna open up until no quarantine on arrival, can’t see it happening this year.

To the original topic... ALL DOMESTIC BORDERS SHOULD BE OPEN NOW AND STAY OPEN.

Transition Layer 7th Mar 2021 22:49

When Australia can safely resume international travel, according to epidemiologist

Icarus2001 7th Mar 2021 23:27


International travel ain’t gunna open up until no quarantine on arrival, can’t see it happening this year.
That seems to be a reasonable assessment.

New Zealand is an obvious starting point, almost there now.

Bali bubble? Fiji bubble?

SHVC 7th Mar 2021 23:45

I think Bali will be one of the last places on earth that Oz open up to.

Icarus2001 8th Mar 2021 00:17


I think Bali will be one of the last places on earth that Oz open up to.
Why? The Island can easily be controlled, in fact the local authority there is talking about a bubble around the resort area of the island.

I would think the US, India and Brazil are probably more risk.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Surely one criteria for international destinations to open as "bubbles" is direct flights, no transit. So the Perth to London flight would be great except the UK is awash with Covd19.

601 8th Mar 2021 08:09


Why? The Island can easily be controlled, in fact the local authority there is talking about a bubble around the resort area of the island.
Sorry. I spilt my rum and coke.

Dannyboy39 8th Mar 2021 09:51


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11004168)
Why? The Island can easily be controlled, in fact the local authority there is talking about a bubble around the resort area of the island.

I would think the US, India and Brazil are probably more risk.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Surely one criteria for international destinations to open as "bubbles" is direct flights, no transit. So the Perth to London flight would be great except the UK is awash with Covd19.

Awash? The numbers are well down. A million tests done on a day last week and around 0.5-1% of tests coming back positive. Some way to go, but by late spring we will be back in a much better place.

Derfred 8th Mar 2021 10:20

Danny, that is still “awash” by Aus standards...

Global Aviator 8th Mar 2021 11:20


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11004168)
Why? The Island can easily be controlled, in fact the local authority there is talking about a bubble around the resort area of the island.

I love that thinking and it makes perfect sense. It is however still Indonesia with the inherent problems attached. It would be fantastic if places like this could find a way.

Alas until Straya can get its own shite together and keep all interstate borders open, ZERO CHANCE. Oooohhhh 3 cases in Kuta, righto all Aussies that were in Kuta you now have XYZ requirements on top of ABCDEFGH requirements that you already had prior to leaving.......... Just like being on a flight to Darwin from Melbourne when mid-flight it was decided you left a hot spot.

I just can't see international travel until there is no requirement for quarantine on return. For holiday makers until that time it is a holiday plus 14 days and $2500+.

Open all domestic borders, keep them open with confidence and pump the hell out of domestic tourism and keep fingers crossed for New Zealand for winter, otherwise its the Southern Alps for the snow.

Icarus2001 8th Mar 2021 22:51


Awash? The numbers are well down. A million tests done on a day last week and around 0.5-1% of tests coming back positive. Some way to go, but by late spring we will be back in a much better place.
UK: 4700 new cases this week, 65 deaths this week. Total deaths 125,000
Australia: 100 cases, 0 deaths this week. Total deaths 909.

Population UK: 66.6 million
Population Australia: 25.4 million

66.6/25.4 = 2.6

Yes, I would call that awash despite the "numbers are well down".

Transition Layer 9th Mar 2021 03:43


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11004803)
UK: 4700 new cases this week, 65 deaths this week. Total deaths 125,000
Australia: 100 cases, 0 deaths this week. Total deaths 909.

Population UK: 66.6 million
Population Australia: 25.4 million

66.6/25.4 = 2.6

Yes, I would call that awash despite the "numbers are well down".

The UK is well and truly trending in the right direction though.

It’s time to look forward and find a way out, and cut out this sort of alarmist language like “awash”. The media have cultivated this type of fear throughout this pandemic unfortunately.

Icarus2001 9th Mar 2021 04:51


The UK is well and truly trending in the right direction though.
I agree with you. In the context of my comment about travel bubbles, they are awash compared to many, many other states.

Dannyboy39 9th Mar 2021 04:51

The last surveillance data last week came back roughly to 1 in 250 having the virus. Meaning that 249 in 250 do not have it. Trending in the right direction for sure but not there yet.

But we have a vaccine in the arms of a third of the population which has high efficacy after one shot of almost eliminating severe disease and significantly reduces transmission.

Dannyboy39 9th Mar 2021 04:52


Originally Posted by Icarus2001 (Post 11004895)
I agree with you. In the context of my comment about travel bubbles, they are awash compared to many, many other states.

No one is doing the level of testing of the UK. Nor anywhere near the amount of genomic sequencing. Testing has actually reduced in the USA or never been in the same league in many western states.

ruprecht 9th Mar 2021 05:18

With all the coverage of Harry and Meghan, I thought covid was over.

LapSap 9th Mar 2021 05:37


Originally Posted by ruprecht (Post 11004907)
With all the coverage of Harry and Meghan, I thought covid was over.

Agree. Who would have thought ‘B grade American actress marries all round good guy with castle and hates MIL’ would take up the first 10 mins of the news last night....
I know, the right thread is over on JB.......

why is the US still so inept with dealing with this? Totally dysfunctional public health system? Complete lack of personal discipline due to whatever Amendment they want to quote?? Or just their utter insularity in all things global??


layman 9th Mar 2021 07:48

Quarantine for international arrivals.

A friend of a friend of a friend (it is a rumour network) heard that DFAT are working on quarantine possibly being required for a further 18 months to 2 years.

Hopefully not (& needs to be verified) but something to keep in mind

Dannyboy39 9th Mar 2021 07:58


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11004942)
Quarantine for international arrivals.

A friend of a friend of a friend (it is a rumour network) heard that DFAT are working on quarantine possibly being required for a further 18 months to 2 years.

Hopefully not (& needs to be verified) but something to keep in mind

It is clearly a very popular policy. Why not keep it going forever? Keeps out all ailments and everyone in Oz can spend their hard earned in Oz. What's not to like?!

dr dre 9th Mar 2021 08:39


Originally Posted by layman (Post 11004942)
Quarantine for international arrivals.

A friend of a friend of a friend (it is a rumour network) heard that DFAT are working on quarantine possibly being required for a further 18 months to 2 years.

Hopefully not (& needs to be verified) but something to keep in mind

I think most would assume the current level of quarantine to the last quarter of this year. After that there may be loosening of restrictions in a phased return to a pre Covid norm, it may involve travel bubbles, it may involve home quarantine, it may involve quarantine only from certain countries with high infection rates. Whatever will happen will probably happen in gradual phases. DFAT also may want to keep the quarantine structure on standby in case there’s a significant outbreak somewhere in the next two years.

So yeah, I’d say DFAT having at least a quarantine framework as a backup for up to two years is something they’d consider. Doesn’t necessarily mean it will be two more years of the international border being closed exactly as it is today.

LapSap 9th Mar 2021 09:57


Originally Posted by Dannyboy39 (Post 11004946)
It is clearly a very popular policy. Why not keep it going forever? Keeps out all ailments and everyone in Oz can spend their hard earned in Oz. What's not to like?!

I hope you’re being sarcastic...
Sorry if I’m a bit thick at the moment.
Some of us actually had international careers ended by this virus. (Not just flying). Why would you wish that for ever?

Icarus2001 9th Mar 2021 10:54

I think the NSW premier is spot on with what she says here. That is how I feel anyway.

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6238116721001


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