Originally Posted by galdian
(Post 11216798)
Honest Q as an outsider: always had the impression Alliance were (arguably) one of the better - if not top - options outside the majors. Bearing in mind that NOTHING - even QF! - is perfect.
Have I been conned or are things really heading south? If heading south what's changed? Cheers |
Originally Posted by SHSS
(Post 11217529)
I think its more the case that other opportunities are becoming available. What was a terrific opportunity in the middle of a crisis 12 months ago is suddenly viewed differently by some.
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Originally Posted by grrowler
(Post 11217550)
I think some did see it as a terrific opportunity to use a crisis to get hold of highly experienced crew on crappy contracts and treat them with disdain.
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The Rats are now fleeing the the Ratsack infected airline known as Alliance which used a crisis the disrespect experienced pilots. This is comedy gold, just had a mate leave today heading off overseas to quadruple his income living in Florida.
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Originally Posted by grrowler
(Post 11217550)
I think some did see it as a terrific opportunity to use a crisis to get hold of highly experienced crew on crappy contracts and treat them with disdain.
I fail to see how they will get anywhere near the numbers they need. 457's by July is my bet. |
I have noticed and been told by others from personal experience, in that executive teams think they have a leg up, or a close grip on the Pilot profession at the moment. We own you, and you need us, sort of culture springs to mind. If your not happy, we don’t care, this is how we operate, just be quiet and be grateful we gave you a job. The whole thing about culture need not matter because you Pilots are so desperate for a job at the moment and you will never leave us, is false. God help the poor bodies who push for a improvement in any terms on offer, they will send you to the trashcan.
Rex is another example and I find it amusing when JS whinges to the press when all his staff quit, especially his cadets which he thinks he ‘owned’ have packed up and accepted a better offer. |
As someone pointed out above, pilots are not “pushing for an improvement in the terms on offer”, they are just resigning. Sometimes within weeks of being checked to line.
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Well there are a number of experienced Ex Alliance F100 Captains presently in Australia. So if Alliance is really short of Captains they should contact them, some already have Airbus and Boeing experience from overseas which could be of use later on. I'm sure their email addresses have not changed. However offering them FO slots will not get them any where.
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Originally Posted by Mugsgame
(Post 11218307)
Not really. I'm not sure much changed. Their standard recruit went from a 25yr old turbo prop guy, to a 10-20,000hr widebody jet pilot. I'm not sure the offer changed, but the desperation of experienced pilots did. Now, things are very rapidly changing. With so many opportunities out there, the average wage/average days off package is wearing thin. Plus, no-one wants to live in Darwin, which seems to be the growing base.
I fail to see how they will get anywhere near the numbers they need. 457's by July is my bet. |
I fail to see how they will get anywhere near the numbers they need. 457's by July is my bet. The first sentence sounds right though. |
Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11219201)
Where is this pool of pilots waiting to come to Australia on 457 visas when the rest of the world is hiring?
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No argument from me on that point, I just don’t think there is a pool of pilots ready to flood our market, maybe a trickle. Nothing that will fill the vacancies that exist now and are in the pipeline.
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
(Post 11220307)
No argument from me on that point, I just don’t think there is a pool of pilots ready to flood our market, maybe a trickle. Nothing that will fill the vacancies that exist now and are in the pipeline.
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There’s a pool of ~400 recently made redundant pilots already IN Australia (and NZ) with jet RPT experience. Insane if a government allows 457s while they remain available
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
(Post 11220478)
There’s a pool of ~400 recently made redundant pilots already IN Australia (and NZ) with jet RPT experience. Insane if a government allows 457s while they remain available
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There is currently a pilot shortage, and the problem is only going to get worse in my opinion.
Age is becoming an issue now for anyone near or over 65, it’s a bugger however it’s the world we live in now. |
Originally Posted by TimmyTee
(Post 11220478)
There’s a pool of ~400 recently made redundant pilots already IN Australia (and NZ) with jet RPT experience. Insane if a government allows 457s while they remain available
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Originally Posted by airdualbleedfault
(Post 11220580)
They weren't all Australian Timmy and quite a few of them are career expats. But I wouldn't be surprised if there were close to 200
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A CX mate of mine is 60 and won’t do Darwin or Adelaide as the wife and kids refuse to move, again. Has a government job and is happy doing that. I think you will find many in that boat and await opportunities in the cities, I know another who is many years younger, but again, doesn’t want to live in those places. Applied for the CAE Bonza job instead.
Perhaps Alliance should open a Melbourne and Sydney base. Probably the way the industry bases will be going in the longer run, won’t see much outside the big cities, perhaps Cairns and that’s it. |
if the Airline is paying a housing/mortgage assistance allowance 😂 This site keeps coming up with the funniest stuff! |
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