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galdian 22nd Oct 2021 01:47


Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima (Post 11130330)
I heard $110k for FO, $160k for captain. Overtime starts at 55 hours per roster at $180/hr for FOs. Hiring type rated (and vaccinated) crew into Darwin, Townsville and Adelaide. Rumours persist of a Brisbane E jet base soon but being a popular base there'll be a wait for it. Third hand info, being a rumour forum.

Just an honest Q: the E jet wasn't the most common type in Oz, where are Alliance finding all these pilots with E jet ratings magically appearing on their Oz licences?

BravoSierraLima 22nd Oct 2021 02:07

AirNorth appear from the outside to have enough E jet pilots to operate that part of their schedule, so it would seem like the "gentlemen's agreement" is being honoured. I suppose a big question those crews might ask themselves is: should you jump to Alliance when the Qantas flying is currently a 3 year deal, especially if you don't want to move away from Darwin at the end of it? Lots of variables for an individual of course.

I probably should have been clearer, Alliance are advertising for type rated & vaccinated crew on their website. No idea if they're getting any yet. Lots of younger Australians in the USA flying E jets who might be ready to come home, former VA crews or miscellaneous others with the requirements and work rights for Australia.

smiling monkey 22nd Oct 2021 13:01


Originally Posted by jdmg (Post 11129977)
Does anyone know what the Salary for a FO is at Alliance?

Not enough! I hear Cobham pays their Ejet pilots substantially more.

itchy_feet 23rd Oct 2021 11:12


Originally Posted by smiling monkey (Post 11130579)
Not enough! I hear Cobham pays their Ejet pilots substantially more.

$110-120K for FO depending on years of service and $185k for Capt.

74world 24th Oct 2021 04:18


Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima (Post 11130340)
AirNorth appear from the outside to have enough E jet pilots to operate that part of their schedule, so it would seem like the "gentlemen's agreement" is being honoured. I suppose a big question those crews might ask themselves is: should you jump to Alliance when the Qantas flying is currently a 3 year deal, especially if you don't want to move away from Darwin at the end of it? Lots of variables for an individual of course.

I probably should have been clearer, Alliance are advertising for type rated & vaccinated crew on their website. No idea if they're getting any yet. Lots of younger Australians in the USA flying E jets who might be ready to come home, former VA crews or miscellaneous others with the requirements and work rights for Australia.

so, Alliance is getting 32 E190 for a 3 years contract ? 😲

BravoSierraLima 24th Oct 2021 07:36

In my opinion, Alliance are getting 32 (so far) E190 to replace their Fokker fleet in the longer run. The revenue from flying 12 or so aircraft on QF routes for 3 or so years would be swallowed faster than the first beer after a 10 sector mail run in the wet season. The E190s purchased are 14ish years old, for comparison the youngest B717 is 15 years old. QF are aiming to place firm orders for replacement regional/mainline narrowbody fleets within 9 months, for deliveries starting in 2 years time...once they get what they can accept out of the pilot groups involved, of course. But both Alliance and QF would be keeping options up their sleeve, the 3 year deal is flexible and can be varied without penalty, according to QF management (yeah, I know).

Icarus2001 24th Oct 2021 12:46


so, Alliance is getting 32 E190 for a 3 years contract ? 😲
No, see above.

Only twelve - fourteen “announced” for QF flying.

https://australianaviation.com.au/20...nce-e190-deal/

DanV2 25th Oct 2021 00:12


Originally Posted by Zhoottoo (Post 11103659)
REX annual results out today and surely it will be a train wreck. The Australian speculating Bain circling to pick up the PAG mess that was never ever going to fly. My money is on Alliance after their record earnings. Makes perfect sense - especially as a low cost capacity provider to VA - and they sure love buying stuff!!The big question among those who will be watching is whether its major shareholder, PAG, continues to support Rex and whether the National Party will also stand behind the national carrier.

Others wonder whether Bain Capital may swoop after last year acquiring Virgin Australia out of voluntary administration......

Only possibility I could see Bain getting involved in PAG's REX is that if REX's jet division files liquidation. One of the few things that are valuable would likely be airport slots, that's pretty much it.

777's Bonza may be a dark horse for RexJet but extremely unlikely.

I don't think Bain would be interested in picking up the leases of the former VA 738s at REX considering it was reported at least half of that fleet were the least reliable of the 738s when they were in the VA Mk1 fleet.

jdmg 25th Oct 2021 13:09


Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima (Post 11130330)
I heard $110k for FO, $160k for captain. Overtime starts at 55 hours per roster at $180/hr for FOs. Hiring type rated (and vaccinated) crew into Darwin, Townsville and Adelaide. Rumours persist of a Brisbane E jet base soon but being a popular base there'll be a wait for it. Third hand info, being a rumour forum.

Thanks for the info. Real helpful!

jdmg 25th Oct 2021 13:11


Originally Posted by itchy_feet (Post 11131096)
$110-120K for FO depending on years of service and $185k for Capt.

thanks! I'll look into that.

SHVC 25th Oct 2021 21:11

Rex has no slots for its 73 if I’ve read correctly they’re relying on unused international. SAAB slots are not transferable. Bonza have already stated they’re not flying into Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane giving it being another LCC only way they could fly into those places would be if they joined with Bain.

ThunderstormFactory 6th Nov 2021 05:48

Where did the Bravo EBA disappear to?

Goat Whisperer 8th Nov 2021 00:39


Bonza have already stated they’re not flying into Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane
Slight correction. Bonza won't fly between Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. They are not avoiding the three biggest population centres, they're just not competing on the triangle routes.

Hervey Bay to MEL or SYD would be well within their scope.

Stationair8 10th Dec 2021 04:29

Announcement on the ASX, that they are going to build a major maintenance base in Rockhampton.

Icarus2001 10th Apr 2022 02:59

The Townsville Refueller mentioned that the inflow of pilots has an equally rapid outflow. Any word?

TinFoilhat2 10th Apr 2022 05:57

A mate who works there says there have been ‘Crisis meetings’ and they lost 9 or 10 pilots over the last month plus all the Virgin guys are going back soon…

pinkpanther1 10th Apr 2022 08:25


Originally Posted by TinFoilhat2 (Post 11213222)
A mate who works there says there have been ‘Crisis meetings’ and they lost 9 or 10 pilots over the last month plus all the Virgin guys are going back soon…

Where are all these folks going? Heading back overseas or all to Virgin? I didnt realise Alliance had so many ex virgin guys.

TinFoilhat2 10th Apr 2022 09:44

Pilots leaving
 

Originally Posted by pinkpanther1 (Post 11213263)
Where are all these folks going? Heading back overseas or all to Virgin? I didnt realise Alliance had so many ex virgin guys.

Well all that matters is that lots of pilots are leaving and they are deep in the **** apparently. Lots of pilots are doing the E3 option and probably not coming back anytime soon.

morno 10th Apr 2022 09:45

Maybe if they paid decent coin……

Karunch 10th Apr 2022 09:58


Originally Posted by morno (Post 11213307)
Maybe if they paid decent coin……

Or put pilots where they want to be based....


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