How good is Alliance!!!!
 

Quite possibly the only profitable airline in the world during calendar year 2020????

Riiiight.....
The latest ASX announcement was made on the 20th May!
cool, old news

Profit before tax of $1M per aircraft. A great result. Shares are up 165% the last 9 weeks. The best performing airline in the world.

Is that why the ACCC has finally decided to look into the 20% stake that QF holds. Talk about the turtle of bureaucracy acting with lightening speed.

A good result in this climate, but then again, a fair percentage of their flying is FIFO charter work unaffected by the current state and international border closures. I'm sure other FIFO operators also made some decent money these last few months.

The shutdown would have benefitted them enormously. Everyone is looking at charter options to move people around. I read that the NRL has gone to a US style pro sport arrangement with teams flying in and out on charters the same day which is only good news for Alliance.

Yes I believe this was presented to the QLD Premier at least as a part of their 'COVIDSAFE' plan to get approval to cross state lines...

All Alliance staff except for senior management have received $1,000 worth of company shares as a bonus.

Alliance to buy 20 more aircraft. Will they go with the E190 or CRJ900?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...dad29ec87727df

It's confirmed on the ASX website. Alliance to get 14 E190 Ejets with options for a further 5 including a flight simulator. Deliveries to begin from September 2020 progressively over 8 months. There won't be any shortage of suitably qualified applicants with plenty of ex Virgin Ejet drivers currently in limbo.

https://www.asx.com.au/asxpdf/202008...3stlf2s0gc.pdf

A good choice of aircraft, $5.5million each, super cheap deal. I guess lots of spare airframes sitting around in the US and the rest of the world. Can be upgraded to the -e2 in the future with little or no training cost.

As DSJ says, lots of VA ex E-Jet rated pilots around, even some Air North guys and girls might be interested. Good luck to Alliance, they have proved time and time again that they make smart decisions, which isn't so common in Australian Aviation.

Well done. Great timing. The option to purchase a simulator is useful, non in our region adds significant cost and down time for crews.

Be interesting - when/if Alliance advertise for Flight Deck crew - whether an existing type rating will be a requirement...or maybe just preferred.

Just a thought, given that Qantas is a stakeholder in Alliance there could be opportunities for stood down QF group pilots to take LWOP to be negotiated between the two entities. Obviously Virgin pilots make more sense if they have E190 time, but not having time on type didnt stop LWOP to Jetstar on the A320 or Emirates LWOP in the early 2010s.

Or they’ll simply type their existing crews and get upto speed with a small amount of initial cadre guys.

That is also possible of course. However that doubles the training cost, move a F100 to the E190 and now you have to train an E190 pilot and a F100 pilot to replace them. The ASX release said that the F100 remains "core" and "in service for many years to come". The Embraer is the "growth" machine.

Furthermore, would their simulator be ready immediately to start type endorsing pilots on it? If not, then they would have to seek Ejet type rating courses overseas and with the restrictions on travel and quarantining required in some countries, that won't be easy in the current climate. It would be more efficient and quicker to re-qualify already type rated pilots than have pilots transition across form the F100, IMHO. This article suggests that their first E190 revenue flight will be in February 2021, so that would suggest a pretty fast lead up time for the E190 to be operational.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...c0453bf8806b17

All true, but who’s to say they haven’t already typed a bunch of pilots?

Is the fire sale purchase of the Jungle Jets straight from Qantas play book purchase of B737s after 9-11 and the B717s?

Unlikely - QQ's management got blindsided when QF bought in, and I would say that there is a decent chance that the ACCC will force them to sell once their investigation is concluded.

Unfortunately I lost my job too. However I do know from a reliable source that there are a number of ex Alliance F100 pilots still employed in HK the ME and parts of Asia who would return given the opportunity, which could replace those pilots moving from the F100 to the E190. Most of those are currently flying Airbus, so getting current again shouldn't require to much retraining in the sim.

Does Alliance stick to seniority or do they also accept DEC?

A lot of loyal Alliance pilots deserving of a promotion too, or did you forget them Roj?
Fishing for a job maybe?

Honest Q:

If the F100's going to remain core to the fleet for the immediate future would the Ejet be a promotion or demotion or "slightly shinier jet syndrome but pretty much same same"??

Cheers

Hi Arthur D,
I didn’t really think it through when I wrote my post, I am by no means saying that the current guys and girls at Alliance don’t deserve promotion, sorry for the misunderstanding. I wish everyone all the best, you’ll enjoy the EJet.

[QUOTE=VH DSJ;10852027]Furthermore, would their simulator be ready immediately to start type endorsing pilots on it? If not, then they would have to seek Ejet type rating courses overseas and with the restrictions on travel and quarantining required in some countries, that won't be easy in the current climate. It would be more efficient and quicker to re-qualify already type rated pilots than have pilots transition across form the F100, IMHO. This article suggests that their first E190 revenue flight will be in February 2021, so that would suggest a pretty fast lead up time for the E190 to be operational.
DSJ. The pilots now applying to Alliance are presumably unemployed and were at the bottom of the Virgin seniority list. I would suggest that once they have the opportunity to move on to a bigger, shiner jet with an increase in salary they would leave, costing Alliance money that they would have spent renewing their E190 rating and then having to replace them when they leave with a another pilot and a complete conversion.
Where as if they employed experienced ex Alliance pilots who are a known quantity who are currently employed all be it with a reduction of their present salary but are still employed AND are willing to return I would have thought would be a better bet. Note some of these pilots were Check and Training on F50 and F100s.
Further nearly all the pilots who did leave have obtained worth while endorsements and international experience, so there is no longer a yearning for something else.....been there and done that. No reason for further adventure.
Alliance also knows their current positions, employers and their private email contacts. Further their current CP has been involved in all their upgrades and recurrent training. No need to sift through applications.

Looks like C152R has it all sorted!

Well if it is fourteen aircraft, say ten to begin with, at two crews an airframe that is forty pilots. How many ex Alliance pilots are "out there" waiting to return?

What must be remembered when these pilots left, was that the mining industry was winding down and they feared loss of employment. At the time just having F100 experience would have made it difficult in obtaining another position when competing with other qualified pilots. This resulted in them applying for other positions where they hoped they could obtain endorsements on modern equipment.
It appears they have been quite successful. From what I can gather they have been able to obtain endorsements on the B777,787,767,A330 and A320. and achieve several years of international experience.
Now, to get to your question. I can't give you an exact number but it would not be to difficult to obtain who wishes to come back, after all they have achieved their objectives. I'm sure the company through the pilot group has ways of contacting them. There are some in the Middle East, HK and the Far East. Try Linkedin you will find a few.

Pennies in the dollar compared to Cargolux, FedUps, Atlas

Cargolux just paid a bonus

Probably the only profitable airline, that carries passengers?

Why don't we just wait and see what Alliance will actually do...

This $115m for this number of aircraft does not seem right. The list price is USD$50m per aircraft. There is no way they are offering them for $5m each. Impossible. There has to be more to this.

its quite correct - perhaps youve been out of the game, particurly in the most recent of times

I know of another carrier who has 30+ E190 who are trying to flog them off as well and currently talking to another establish embraer operating about taking 4

😂😂😂😂😂 you know that’ll never happen Leafy

Having read all the above and now considering the Virgin announcement by the end of the day if not tomorrow
bleedin the obvious their will be at least 500 applications on Alliance's doorstep all with E170/190 time.

I hope that some of them can get a job with Alliance as well. Some awesome people, great pilots, checkies and engineers. I hope the Alliance guys and girls get promotions etc. but giving jobs to those now out of work with lots of experience on type would be awesome in this current environment. It would be in everyone's interest at Alliance.

Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Yesterday most here couldn’t give a rats ar$e about Alliance Aviation, just another trashy wannabe was the phrase I once heard used to describe them. Some of you couldn’t wait to get out.

Now, you covet their pilots jobs and promotions.

To paraphrase Matthew 5.5..in the case of aviation the meek really have inherited the earth.

Whats a bet youll see QQ operating VA's regional services in time to come. Cheaper cost base outsourcing....