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BO0M 21st Apr 2023 03:46

ASX releases are your friend.

https://www2.asx.com.au/markets/trad...ouncements.aqz

unobtanium 21st Apr 2023 06:23

So i guess the darwin singapore qantas-alliancelink is not going ahead then? or is the regional airline still going to become there next new international airline

PoppaJo 21st Apr 2023 22:57

Bit rich QF now trying to desperately cite Rex’ support on the deal as why it should be approved.

Rex as per usual, are only supporting it because that is what works for itself. They don’t give a rats about anyone but Rex, nothing to do with what works for consumers, it’s what works for its rocky balance sheet. An opportunity to pick up some Virgin work if approved sounds about right.

BravoSierraLima 22nd Apr 2023 02:55

DRW-SIN won't go ahead in an E jet (at this stage), but likely to be an A220 route...when NJS become capable of international ops, consistently upgrading FOs or just being able to attract crew. It's possible mainline SH gets some A220-500s, but that model is so far over the horizon that the ore containing the raw materials for the first airframe hasn't even been dug up yet.

Lapon 22nd Apr 2023 03:11


Originally Posted by BravoSierraLima (Post 11423892)
DRW-SIN won't go ahead in an E jet (at this stage), but likely to be an A220 route...when NJS become capable of international ops, consistently upgrading FOs or just being able to attract crew. It's possible mainline SH gets some A220-500s, but that model is so far over the horizon that the ore containing the raw materials for the first airframe hasn't even been dug up yet.

The A220-500 is not even 'a thing'. It's a thought piece stemming from some airlines indicating a desire for an even larger version of the -300.

Airbus have have clearly said they have no intention of seriously looking at it until the existing 220 programme is far more mature.

I can't see why a potential -500 would go to SH anyway. AJ (and hopefully the entire culture) will be long gone when that day arrives, but it's looking more and more like the SH of today is the NJS of tomorrow.

aussieflyboy 23rd Apr 2023 00:35

Qantas (NJS) A220 patterns shared by Network Planning:

MEL - DRW - SIN - DRW - MEL
BNE - DRW - SIN - DRW - BNE
MEL - BNE - PER - BNE - MEL
BNE - NAN - BNE
MEL - NAN - MEL
MEL - CNS - PER - CNS - MEL

*Not before northern winter 2024 so subject to change.

Jack D. Ripper 23rd Apr 2023 07:17


Originally Posted by Lapon (Post 11423895)
it's looking more and more like the SH of today is the NJS of tomorrow.

That’s right Lapon.

SH looks like a shrinking entity, not enough A321 orders and with no A330 replacement in sight it looks like a narrow body future for a good chunk of the A330 domestic and international flying.

There will be no place to go for current mainline pilots.

Meanwhile the rocket scientists that engineered the crappy NJS agreement are scrambling to fix their greedy screw-up with foreign pilots.

So why can’t AIPA see this?

dr dre 23rd Apr 2023 07:49


Originally Posted by Jack D. Ripper (Post 11424439)
That’s right Lapon.

SH looks like a shrinking entity, not enough A321 orders and with no A330 replacement in sight it looks like a narrow body future for a good chunk of the A330 domestic and international flying.

There will be no place to go for current mainline pilots.

As the other thread has identified, with the published training vacancies and residuals for the next training year, mainline is going full steam ahead. There'll probably be over 150 new SH pilots (a quarter of the establishment) trained over the next FY. And apparently this next FY is the lowest amount of training they'll be doing in a FY out of the next 4 years, so it's all planned to be bigger from now on. None of the planned training over the next 12 months accounts for any of the upcoming A321 or A350 training required.

I think it's an increase from 2000 total flight crew in 2022 to roughly 2700 crew in 2027, so much for a "shrinking entity".....

Beer Baron 23rd Apr 2023 11:25


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11424371)
Qantas (NJS) A220 patterns shared by Network Planning:

MEL - DRW - SIN - DRW - MEL
BNE - DRW - SIN - DRW - BNE
MEL - BNE - PER - BNE - MEL
BNE - NAN - BNE
MEL - NAN - MEL
MEL - CNS - PER - CNS - MEL

Looks as made up as your training vacancies post on another thread.

ShandywithSugar 23rd Apr 2023 11:35


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11424371)
Qantas (NJS) A220 patterns shared by Network Planning:

MEL - DRW - SIN - DRW - MEL
BNE - DRW - SIN - DRW - BNE
MEL - BNE - PER - BNE - MEL
BNE - NAN - BNE
MEL - NAN - MEL
MEL - CNS - PER - CNS - MEL

*Not before northern winter 2024 so subject to change.

You're going to be busy on your home flight simulator with that schedule . Do you use real world ATC too?

aussieflyboy 23rd Apr 2023 23:52


Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar (Post 11424567)
You're going to be busy on your home flight simulator with that schedule . Do you use real world ATC too?

These are Aircraft Patterns champ. The aircraft will not necessarily fly the whole pattern in 1 day and the crew obviously won’t. The aircraft will overnight (I assume in PER/CNS/DRW).

Where do you think they are going to park 15 A220s in MEL every night?

ShandywithSugar 24th Apr 2023 00:56


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11424948)
These are Aircraft Patterns champ. The aircraft will not necessarily fly the whole pattern in 1 day and the crew obviously won’t. The aircraft will overnight (I assume in PER/CNS/DRW).

Where do you think they are going to park 15 A220s in MEL every night?

The same place they park 20 B717s now.

aussieflyboy 24th Apr 2023 01:08


Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar (Post 11424962)
The same place they park 20 B717s now.

and the 9 (so far) extra?

Australia2 25th Apr 2023 01:26

So why can’t AIPA see this?

Finally . . . . A post referencing AIPA (ideally QF management would also be included) as to the demise of the current SH flying.

A top down view would surely prove more productive than the current references to the different alias’s and crew groups forced to operate under the different T&C’s imposed by the employers ?

ONLY that will ultimately fix the current mess that is the QF group domestic situation.

ShandywithSugar 25th Apr 2023 01:41


Originally Posted by aussieflyboy (Post 11424963)
and the 9 (so far) extra?

FY29 a lifetime in Aviation.

twentyelevens 25th Apr 2023 05:04


Originally Posted by Australia2 (Post 11425512)
So why can’t AIPA see this?

Finally . . . . A post referencing AIPA (ideally QF management would also be included) as to the demise of the current SH flying.

Whilst these topics are all important, it’d be nice to say “Finally……A post referencing Alliance.” Given the title of the thread and all.

nivsy 26th Apr 2023 00:23

Double Trouble fight flight on Alliance!
 
Picked this up on one of my feeds. Sounds like an interesting flight not.....did it even make Aussie news or did I miss it?

https://viewfromthewing.com/two-sets...he-same-plane/


brokenagain 26th Apr 2023 02:04

Did the F/A forget to do a ‘Welcome to Country’?

markis10 5th May 2023 07:14

Woops https://www.accc.gov.au/media-releas...arter-alliance

no more VA flights

one dollar short 5th May 2023 07:19


Originally Posted by markis10 (Post 11430357)


yeah. No more co tendering on fifo. Which is currently a few flights out of Perth. This is completely irrelevant to any east coast flying.


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