The truth can be stranger than fiction….

for a group that hate's 457's its ironic they call themselve's expat's while basically doing the same thing to locals in other country's.
ever seen an asian/middle eastern/indian expat in australia? of course not, they are from 3rd world countrie's and therefore should be labled immigrant's/scabs, even though many of them hold proper professional jobs.

LOL! Amazing and very relevant reply. Of course us westerners will justify it as 'being highly skilled' and 'we're there to show them how it's done', however 'they're taking our jobs' if easterners come here to work in the roles that locals don't want to. The term 'Expat' needs to disappear. I wonder if Aussies are being referred to as 'expats' in the USA? Pretty sure they're being referred to as E3 visa holders.

Big difference in working as an Expatriate (mercenary wages) vs moving for life in a “better” (relative) country and calling it home, whilst undercutting local market wages.

both displace local's who lost the opportunity to be skilled up, don't cry when expatriate pilot's come and take your job's while you expat elsewhere

That comment is utter baloney and it shows a complete lack of understanding of the reasons foreign airlines recruit expat pilots. Other countries have visa restrictions too and the local immigration authorities will not issue employment visas unless companies can show they can't find suitable people in the local employment market. In Hong Kong, for example, there are not enough people interested in the job and the local airlines have never been able to recruit sufficient numbers in the local employment market to meet their needs.

I can assure you that companies overseas don’t just hire expats for ****s and giggles, and the thought that you are displacing locals in those cases are simply not true.

In most cases, expats are being paid far above the locals. Now tell me, what company on earth would be doing that if they could avoid it by paying locals?

You appear to have little idea about what you are talking about.

Yep. Local GP clinics have plenty.

Australia's public health system and aged care facilities would collapse, but for all those asian/middle eastern/indian among other expats.

Apart from the incorrect assumption that I am an expat, the other responses seem to illuminate the shortcomings of the assessment.

Well that is all very interesting but nothing in there is stopping the cancellation of flights due to lack of pilots. A very real shortage right now, not a potential future shortage.

And hence the reduced uptake in the medical field due to the lowered risk reward equation. AHPRA even seem to have been infiltrated by bureaucrats. A bit like CASA. Government agendas in both industry.

The official term used by the yanks is 'Alien' and I kid you not.

As was (is?) the term used for expats with residence rights in Japan, you obtained Alien Registration.

Worthy of a separate thread if you are so troubled? Expats of my generation left Australia as the boys and girls here, started paying for their endorsements. Often as an expat, I didn’t even get a FO in the RHS of a wide body. They were called Second Officers
and had under 200 hours. Many were very sharp, it still took five plus years and excessive training resources to get them to command standard.

457 visas in Australia at the moment for pilots would be wrong. We have a skills shortage with where the economy needs to go, but not for pilots.

Now back on topic. Alliance has a pilot retention issue despite the most significant labour correction in aviation since WW2. It would be interesting to know why?

If you were talking about management then the answer is they aren’t paying enough, but since it’s staff then obviously there is a skills shortage.

Currently a survey pilot in NSW/VIC with over 1500hrs C441/B200 types :ok:.

Considering making the big change to the airlines up north with Airnorth and Alliance being an option with the current recruitment drive happening.
Also the option of the States is looking promising.

Just after some confirmation before I make some decisions on the change that you cant move from Airnorth to Alliance Airlines due to an unwritten agreement between the two companies?
Possibly tied in with the Alliance UK visa pilot fiasco, I have heard this rumour from a few of the boys up north.

Has anyone got any experience with these 2 airlines or any recommendations.

Goto the States and don’t look back!

Hmmm worth a shot
 

I think there is heaps of opportunities Air North is screaming for pilots however consider your options you don’t want to come to Air North if you can’t go to Alliance afterwards

Joining either of those companies will be an extension of your time in GA.