Agreed, we are losing money on these routes and what a perfect excuse to shift the blame to someone else to make me look like a decisive and bold manager so I can continue receiving my obscene salary.

Agreed, trying to tie it to your action. What a load of crap. They will do what they want with the jets regardless. JQ are getting a stack of 321 etc anyway, probably better for career progression! The public comments are mostly on your side, as they should be if they knew the truth rather than the rubbish the CEO spits out about the working hours and salary.

shame there are no journalists anymore

Reading some of this, I’m convinced some of you must be blind stumbling around without a cane.

So after that email last week have any pilots actually been withdrawn from work this week?

Ummmm it’s a NZ contract. Having a foreign contract working in aus territory is no no from memory? (Not having a dig, I thought that’s how it worked?)

This is what stops plummet airways starting up with Thai/Indonesian/bombay salary and conditions.

Well there were a couple of Jetstar NZ pilots flying domestically in Australia over the weekend who were there after being called from STBY. I don’t see any difference to when the NZ pilots complete their line training in Australia. The no domestic sectors and an EBA pilot on the Jumpseat during training are just agreements between the company and the union and are obviously out the window during the dispute. What stops Thai etc doing something similar is that their nationals don’t have an automatic right to live and work in Australia so there would be visa issues for them. For the NZ pilots it comes down to how much flying Jetstar can get away with before the FWA Awards should apply and that is for AFAP to challenge or accept I guess.

That may be true for a ‘Thai/Indonesian/bombay’ airline but not for out bro’s over the ditch. New Zealand is cover by the ‘Australia-New Zealand open skies agreement’ and Civil Aviation Mutual Recognition Act. These allow airlines and pilots from either side of the Tasman to operate in either country as if it were their own and with no need for a separate AOC.

Public threat?

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bus...533ea1721bc358

Fallout from industrial action at Jetstar could see up to 50 pilots lose their jobs and another 50 demoted due to a reduction in the airline’s Boeing 787-8 fleet.

The low fares carrier has today flagged the possibility of three 787-8s being sold following a network and fleet review in the face of dwindling profits.

The Australian understands that would mean the loss of as many as 50 pilots while another 50 could be redeployed to less senior roles across the network.

It comes after Jetstar warned it would not give in to pilots’ demands for upfront pay rises it says amount to 15 per cent.

The Australian Federation of Air Pilots has denied they are seeking that much and have urged Jetstar to return to the negotiating table.

Jetstar announced on Monday the cancellation of 800 domestic flights in January, equivalent to 10 per cent of their schedule, to provide passengers with certainty in the face of ongoing disruption.

More than 90 services were axed on the weekend due to four-hour stoppages by pilots on Saturday and Sunday and strikes by ground crew, including baggage handlers.

Combined with the reduced services in January, Jetstar estimated it would lose between $20m and $25m in revenue over the summer holiday period.

CEO Gareth Evans said the wage claims being made by the AFAP and the Transport Workers Union were unsustainable.

“There’s no doubt that industrial action is expensive and frustrating but we have to hold the line on costs or it threatens the long term sustainability of our business,” Mr Evans said.

“We apologise to customers whose plans have been caught up in what the unions are doing.”

AFAP executive director Simon Lutton said they were frustrated by Jetstar “continually inventing figures to suit themselves”.

“Is is highly convenient for Jetstar management to claim that two four-hour work stoppages over the weekend will result in flight cancellations in January when no pilot action is planned past this Friday (December 20),” Mr Lutton said.

“Our aim is to reach a fair and reasonable agreement. It is important that Jetstar returns to the bargaining table to reach a resolution.”

TWU national secretary Michael Kaine said they were appalled Jetstar would “pull the plug” on passengers’ holiday plans.

“With the money Jetstar is spending on cancelling flights and upsetting holiday plans it could have solved this issue by now,” Mr Kaine said.

“Our claims are modest. All the average baggage and ramp worker is looking for is at most an extra 90 cents an hour; that means for many an increase of just $19 a week.”

Weakness in the low cost leisure market has been dogging Jetstar since the May federal election and there has been speculation of a reduction in fleet size for some time.

The review undertaken by the airline identified three 787-8s serving loss-making and marginal international routes, and a business case developed to sell the aircraft.

A final decision will be made early next year with capital from the sales to be reinvested in other parts of the Qantas Group.

Jetstar currently operates 11 787-8s and 51 A320s and A321s.

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As if they are going to sack 50 pilots lol, god these are kindergarten media releases, they can hardly get enough pilots let alone start sacking them lol, amateur hour in the Jetstar tactics room!

Fallout from industrial action at Jetstar could see up to 50 pilots lose their jobs and another 50 demoted due to a reduction in the airline’s Boeing 787-8 fleet.

Totally unrelated issue somehow tied together!
More f@#$&%* lies!!!

Oh really?

I’ll pin my career security & aspirations to your brilliant assertion above will I? No, I think not if you don’t mind.

With a daily Qantas 380 service probably to many seats.

Scoot drove them out. Scooter is currently twice daily on the route, JQ was down to a pointless 2 and 3 weekly. They drove them off Perth also.

Connections on the other end probably count. I remember Tiger Singapore said Perth was one it’s best performing routes profit wise. Yet Jetstar said it was one of its poorest performing. They have had issues making much in Asia work for a while now.

50 is correct...25 Capt, 25 F.O’s

Can someone explain how the possible loss of 3 787s equals 50 loss of jobs and a further 50 demotions? How full of BS are these morons?

Having to sack 50 pilots when there is a perfectly good MOU available...🙄

If they use the old 7 crews per aircraft numbers it’s not too far off.

About the only smart thing that Geoff Dixon ever said was that “a fare that you can’t charge all the time is a sign of an unsustainable business”. The problem with the low fare model is that it doesn’t pass the test of increasing business costs. If JQ fares can’t cope with a reasonable increase in labour costa and conditions, charge more. Simplistic I know but what you charge has to cover your costs.

Except the guys that are eligible for it will keep their 787 commands in JQ.

I highly doubt JQ will have to make anyone redundant. At all. Besides, if they did, they’d have to hire you again within a few months (as per the eba) as soon as hiring recommenced. With your old seniority number. So it’d essentially be a paid holiday.

The long term plan always was for the 787s to go to mainline and replace the older 330s for domestic ops. From what I hear. Which could be wrong. Or not. However an all A320/1 fleet makes sense for JQ

Because that would be about right, maybe even worse.
When you’re next up in cruise with nothing to do, read your EBA (likely your first time) regarding the bit about seniority and reflect on how many crews (full compliment) per airframe an airline may have....

Oh ok. A “paid holiday”, sounds like something I’ll rely on, thanks Blueskymine.