Every time the media mention pilot remuneration, the next line will be 24 million. That’s what joe public will remember. |
Originally Posted by CamelSquadron
(Post 10626075)
Highly paid professional going on strike asking for more money. You have completely lost touch with reality and you will get no support from Joe Public who just see you as greedy and selfish. Your playing right into the hands of management.
People are comfortable with pilots making a decent amount of money and not many view 200k as mega dollars at least in Sydney or Melbourne. |
I would expect that if JQ pilots were harassed or abused by passengers during any PIA, they will simply not fly their aircraft, and a new crew brought in.
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This is an Enterprise Agreement, not a popularity contest, not a political campaign; public sentiment is largely irrelevant. It is between employer and employee. It will be a business decision that governs what happens next. If it costs JQ too much money they will modify their behaviour, public sentiment won’t come into their calculation. Not to say you will definitely get the outcome you desire but ignore the noise, fight for what you deserve because if you don’t fight then you have already lost. Good luck. |
RESPECT.
Originally Posted by Beer Baron
(Post 10627355)
This is an Enterprise Agreement, not a popularity contest, not a political campaign; public sentiment is largely irrelevant. It is between employer and employee. It will be a business decision that governs what happens next. If it costs JQ too much money they will modify their behaviour, public sentiment won’t come into their calculation. Not to say you will definitely get the outcome you desire but ignore the noise, fight for what you deserve because if you don’t fight then you have already lost. Good luck. Eloquent and accurate 👍🏿 |
could not agree more.
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Originally Posted by Beer Baron
(Post 10627355)
If it costs JQ too much money they will modify their behaviour, public sentiment won’t come into their calculation. |
I think sometimes you have to take some tougher action to get anywhere. Wasn’t Mr Joyce praised for this a few years ago? Its not like they are going to find anyone else to under cut you? Good luck and I hope you guys succeed instead of being trodden on all the time. |
Originally Posted by patty50
(Post 10627282)
support fighting back. Even those people not directly impacted will understand what people are going through and have sympathy. Pilots will be seen as greedy Christmas wreaking bastards. |
I am a long tiime lurker and I registered just to post on this thread. If there is industrial action at Christmas people will blame the Jetstar pilots and hate them with a passion. For the direct personal consequences including financial loss and disruption. It is completely ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Because it is the pilots that have chosen the timing. I'd also say the company is already doing better media on this to ensure the pilots are blamed too. Even those people not directly impacted will understand what people are going through and have sympathy. Pilots will be seen as greedy Christmas wreaking bastards. Completely wrong, I too have been involved in PIA. There were no such consequences. |
Originally Posted by Thommo_au
(Post 10629651)
I am a long tiime lurker and I registered just to post on this thread. If there is industrial action at Christmas people will blame the Jetstar pilots and hate them with a passion. For the direct personal consequences including financial loss and disruption. It is completely ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Because it is the pilots that have chosen the timing. I'd also say the company is already doing better media on this to ensure the pilots are blamed too.
Even those people not directly impacted will understand what people are going through and have sympathy. Pilots will be seen as greedy Christmas wreaking bastards. |
Thommo you sound like one of those Alan believers? I can assure you any negative passenger vibes seen on the nightly news will be forgotten very fast. Impact to revenue will be almost zero. Lowest fare wins in this demographic. They might be swearing and threatening to never fly this mob again, however on the next Bali or Cooly trip when they have a choice of a $39 Jetstar or $120 Virgin flight.....I wonder who wins. The media need to ask Gareth if his pilots are the lowest paid Airbus drivers in part of the world. I’d love to see the reply. You wouldn’t get a straight answer out of any manager within the group. Any quality and decent investigative journalist probably needs to look past the passenger fluffy drama and look into the corporate greed vs lowest paid front line workers within in its industry. Just look at Woolworths recently. Jetstar also recently stated it has a target of a 21% profit margin in the medium term, which is nearly double the current margin. Adding into the mix it’s outrageous executive remuneration figures, claiming they can’t afford to get its pilots off the lowest paid ladder is beyond absurd. |
when they have a choice of a $39 Jetstar or $120 Virgin flight.....I wonder who wins. |
Trento and Stella will be screaming, but when there’s holes in the Bintang singlet and the craving for that Indonesian Pilsner bites, if Jetstar is $10 cheaper. They’ll after pay it and max the credit card on the way up with in flight booze. I hope JQ get the parity with the other drivers they deserve. |
Originally Posted by Thommo_au
(Post 10629651)
If there is industrial action at Christmas people will blame the Jetstar pilots and hate them with a passion.
Even those people not directly impacted will understand what people are going through and have sympathy. Pilots will be seen as greedy Christmas wreaking bastards. I don’t think they will. You underestimate how much ordinary people hate corporate leaders. Joyce and henchmen have zero credibility in calling anyone overpaid. The PIA involves plenty of things with no to minimal impact on passengers and there will still be a couple of 747s laying around if a real strike eventuates. |
The PIA involves plenty of things with no to minimal impact on passengers and there will still be a couple of 747s laying around if a real strike eventuates. |
Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 10630630)
Under current laws one of those options is legal and the other is not.
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I suspect he means that PIA is OK but a strike is not
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Originally Posted by strobes_on
(Post 10631174)
I suspect he means that PIA is OK but a strike is not
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A "Strike" is just the old term for industrial action.. Strike action, also called labor strike, labour strike, or simply strike, is a work stoppage, caused by the mass refusal of employees to work. Which is why PIA is legal under very restrictive criteria and "going on strike" is illegal. |
Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 10632019)
No its not : (Wikipedia)
Which is why PIA is legal under very restrictive criteria and "going on strike" is illegal. “Protected” just means it’s ratified as an approved action by the FWC. |
The original statement was that a strike was the old term for industrial action. It is not, a strike means the withdrawal of labour. The phrase "going on strike" was used when labour was withdrawn with little or no prior notice. I think a lot of younger people have never seen what going on strike actually looked like. Not a criticism but the fact that they haven't seen it is a result of the tightening of industrial laws since the Accord.
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Jetstar going the extra yard I believe to get any AIPA members on long term sick leave back to work. I wonder why?
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80 odd Aipa members aren’t going to do much. |
Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 10632019)
No its not : (Wikipedia)
Which is why PIA is legal under very restrictive criteria and "going on strike" is illegal. "Industrial action where there is a failure or refusal by employees to attend for work, or a failure or refusal to perform any work at all by employees who attend for work, is historically known as a strike." Anyway - I have heard AIPA is still negotiating with Jetstar, how can they bring a solution with so few members? |
Originally Posted by LostontheLOC
(Post 10632162)
https://www.fwc.gov.au/industrial-ac...ustrial-action
"Industrial action where there is a failure or refusal by employees to attend for work, or a failure or refusal to perform any work at all by employees who attend for work, is historically known as a strike." Anyway - I have heard AIPA is still negotiating with Jetstar, how can they bring a solution with so few members? |
They don’t think they can reach a settlement based on AIPA members but the Company love a fractured pilot group so would like nothing better than AIPA members bending the ear of other pilots talking up what a great deal they have. |
Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
(Post 10632183)
They don’t think they can reach a settlement based on AIPA members but the Company love a fractured pilot group so would like nothing better than AIPA members bending the ear of other pilots talking up what a great deal they have. |
So it seems the ground crews will be causing the disruptions this month, the AFAP are not taking action until next month as they did with TT. |
Looks like the first actions are happening on the 14th this month, continuing for the week after that. |
Red Ties
4 hour wearing of RED TIES. That will show them!!!!!!!!!!!
errrrrrrr no This afternoon, the AFAP provided notice to the Company that PIA will commenceon Saturday 14 December in the form of the following bans/actions: 1. A four (4) hour stoppage of all work from:
4. A ban on the performance of any duty that is not on a pilot’s originally published roster, excluding rostered standby. 5. A ban on extending a single or multi-day tour of duty beyond the times stipulated in clause 15 of the Roster Protocol. These bans (except for the 4-hour stoppages) will initially run until 2359 on 20 December 2019. |
Originally Posted by wheels_down
(Post 10633530)
So it seems the ground crews will be causing the disruptions this month, the AFAP are not taking action until next month as they did with TT. |
Good luck everyone, I am watching with interest. |
Good Lord, if they're going to trot the moron out that was on the news tonight to dis-credit you, you've got it won.
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Originally Posted by Wasi Wasamadroota
(Post 10633568)
4 hour wearing of RED TIES. That will show them!!!!!!!!!!!
errrrrrrr no First class travel, kamikaze and massages... With zero wage growth and an explosion of personal debt, people broadly are tapped out. Robber barons like Alan Joyce's $24 million is not a good optic. |
This is perfect Jetstar, Shorthaul both EBA’s rejected and LH in a **** spin, this is where we want it, PIA about to happen in Jetstar, I’d suggest agree to nothing and keep these bastards in the lurch, United we win. Hopefully some PIA from shorthaul to reduce their options. If we all stand together we will slaughter them, it’s basic maths, not masters |
Originally Posted by The name is Porter
(Post 10633641)
Good Lord, if they're going to trot the moron out that was on the news tonight to dis-credit you, you've got it won.
I wonder if JQ can set a dual world record for the number of 320's sat on their tail / ULD Loaders driven into wings. I hope someone manages to get video of the Kalmar driving down the M5 never to be seen again. |
Just wanting to offer some assistance to you guys but I don't really know any of the AFAP officials. 12 months ago the Jetstar LAMEs voted in favour of PIA. Ultimately they didn't take action as we settled before then but an interesting thing occurred that I am more than happy to share.
Some clutz of a manager was rushing for a flight and left a folder in an Engineering section. Within the folder were all his notes from every EA meeting, legal advice on how to handle PIA at Jetstar and other associated internal info. Although the docs were predominantly Engineering related, it may give some insight into the company and the way they will tackle PIA. If someone from AFAP emails me at [email protected] I would be more than happy to forward every piece of info. cheers and good luck |
The AFAP talking heads need to get onto their media strategy and breakdown this $300k figure the shiny bums are promoting. |
I don’t think it really matters anymore. The company is flashing this 300k figure like it’s a bombshell going to knock out any wage claim we may have. In reality, we’re the lowest paid of any pilot group for comparable work and the Afap can prove that. Add to that the QF exec remuneration and it’s a stupid tactic that really just magnifies managements ridiculous salaries and IR ‘techniques.’ Eaxh and every time there has been an issue with pilot vs company (Insert any of the companies here) the wage card is the first one played. If the general public doesn’t know roughly what a pilot gets paid by now, it’s because they don’t give a sh!t. |
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