Its absolutely time to move on. Paticularly if your stuck on the 320 and about to experience your new lifestyle or lack there of.

I feel sorry for those guys.

Reality bites. Hard.

Good luck to all.

MCD

If I had stayed at the regional I was at, I would’ve grossed $400k usd.

Fortunately the private departments (at least the good ones), are also keeping pace with wages too and seeing base salaries higher than that on the large cabin gulfstream/Falcon side.

Go to the US young man, the land of milk and honey. Yes, you may get Detroit for 6 months but if you don't like Detroit, guess what..........don't ****en apply to the airline that has a base there. Or commute with positive space or commuter hotels. Smash the 401k, pump it full of USD for when you come back, spend enough time there and you won't be returning to a cesspit job in Aus, you'll be fishing from the deck of your beach shack.

Be secure in the knowledge that all the dickheads won't be following you to the US, they're the ones carrying on about Detroit, they'll be staying in Aus calculating the compound 3% payrise and telling you it's not really 3% it's about 3.11% in year two, awesome bruh. Meanwhile you'll be working out what the compound effect of a first up100% bump in your hourly rate means to the 401k balance.

Land of milk and honey, and oh yeah, land of pilot unions that don't sell out their junior members.

You guys really are a bunch of clowns on here

If only I could transition my parents, siblings, relatives and friends there too, as well the local footy club and all my other other local favourite establishments too.

How is he a clown? He is literally telling it for how it is

a) It is easy to get a base that is not DTW
b) It is easy to make the same amount of money as Australia, in the US, with less work
c) The pay rise here is 3% a year
d) American pilot unions do have bigger cojones

But yes, keep telling yourself you are on an awesome wicket in 'straya with your payrise below inflation :ugh:

I agree. I personally recommend as many of you head to the US as possible. :E

Thats all good and well until your company closes your preferred base and gives you the option of unemployment or move to some other city where you have no one. Think it’ll never happen to you? Never say never son.

Or live in a country with a crazy political system, with a population all packing guns, sweating on the next economic down turn triggered by a war your host country regularly engages in, where all the already unwanted expat “guests” get furloughed first in a heartbeat from their fixed term contracts. Wouldn’t happen either would it….

If half the bull****e being bandied around regarding salaries for US regionals on here were true, pure economics dictates that a regional airline paying pilots 400K USD is instantly doomed the moment a blip in the economy eventuates. No way that could occur given inflation & world events either eh??

But seriously, I couldn’t give a stuff about greedy, arrogant, comparatively inexperienced self professed “professional pilots” viciously moaning on this thread about how badly treated they are on six figure salaries now bolstered in a recent 21% + + payrise here in the best country on Earth. F&ck off over there and give the rest of us some peace. Apparently according to half you imbeciles these companies are falling over themselves to have you.

By far the most insulting comment with reference to one's own colleagues ever witnessed on here - you must've escaped Kindergarten with the teacher's scientific calculator in hand.

“Escaped kindergarten with the teachers scientific calculator in hand?”

My “colleagues” I don’t consider to be a collective of certain idiots posting on this thread.

Now thats an accurate summation.

Its the younger pilots in this organisation that have been hard shafted by those bound up in self interest. I really do feel for the young pilots.

Time to close this thread. The topic has run its course. 66% of JQ pilolts are happy to be treated with distain. Unfortunately, thats the end of the story. It is however, democracy at work.

Abusive ranting from the main antagonist on this thread only serve to further deteriorate the already trashed reputations of those working at JQ. Except for the 34%ers.

Best of luck to those understandably moving on or out over the next while.


MCD

Well done MCD bringing some maturity and perspective to this thread. The rantings of some (well one really) just reinforces why I would never join the AFAP as a union to represent me. From last century to this EBA they continue to ignore what their members actually want and will dictate what is good for the pilots. As for Jetstar I will quote "Bomber" Harris: "They sowed the wind,and now they are going to reap the whirlwind."

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Like that other QF group entity that recently had a terrible EB forced upon them, this so called victory by the QF industrial brutes was gained through fear alone. Of the 66% that voted yes, I guarantee 90% of those felt they had no choice. Also like that other QF group entity, plummeting morale will now cripple the operation.

​​​​​​​Very true, thats why I quoted AVM Harris.

Meanwhile, QF FA’s just had a 99% yes vote to commence Industrial Action…….

How dare you compare pilots to flight attendants.... They earn so much less than us, and must not be compared to us!

/sarcasm.

To be serious though, good on 'em. Sounds like engineers are heading down the same path too.

Quite the ranter, doesn't like getting called out for what he is. A sellout with no spine.

Probably wonders why all the FOs keep calling in sick on him/her too.

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Life's a little easier being on the first 2 pages of the seniority list and a 78 type rating.

Y’all make me glad I left. Seems like an alright deal all in all to me.

21++% payrise?
Other Qantas group entities with upcoming EA's to be negotiated will be delighted hear this.

Well the AFAP knows how to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again, pushing this through when more favourable IR laws were on the way and have just been passed (https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...27-p5c1km.html)

All just amazing coincident that you'd rush this through. Looks like this union should've been included in that Royal Commission in '14.

Can you share how you think multi-employer bargaining would have actually helped the JQ deal? From everything that I have read on the matter I don’t think this option would have been open to JQ pilots. And even if it were, it would be incredibly complex to try and bargain with QF / VA pilots give the significant differences in their terms and conditions.

Seriously....The threat that QF management has used for years against the group.

Perhaps changing your name to Sergeant Schultzwould be more fitting

The threat of having flying transferred to another group was not made during the JQ negotiations.

It is a serious questions about the new legislative IR changes and how you think this would have affected the JQ negotiation. From everything that I have read, and from mates who work at law firms that specialise in IR - they can’t confidently say how what is being proposed is going to affect bargaining (especially for those employee groups that already have agreements that are currently in force). So I don’t know how you can be so sure in your assertions.

But then again - it’s pretty easy to just read a headline that talks about proposed IR changes, slag off the union and infer that it’s corrupt. 🙄

It seems like the new IR changes would benefit Flight Attendant groups more - as they have several different agreements covering employees doing the same job. I can't see the proposed changes affecting any pilot groups.

Well, let's just start by saying that flying a Boeing 787 = "The Same Job" as flying a Boeing 787 et al.
There are low cost passengers and low cost services, but Boeing and/or Airbus never designed Low Cost Pilot versions of the same type...

Multi-employer bargaining is just one of the areas that will change. There are a number of other changes that will assist Qantas group employees.

yep, two agreements for 787

4 different agreements covering the flying of A320 family in the group...

2 different agreements covering Dash 8 operations.

Give them a break they need to justify all the management somehow. If they streamline the company then they might have to fire a few managers and shrink a few departments which is completely unacceptable to anyone in a high management position.

live been in the company for a long time. The Dixon/Joyce model of chasing the virtual airline must be very top dollar heavy. Multiple types, training, sims, parts, managers blah blah blah. The wedge is the only goal but the cost and bull5h1t factor must be mind numbing.