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The young blokes going to the regionals in the US will be paid more than you fellas soon. |
Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
(Post 11318044)
As much As I don't like this deal (some things are okay, doesn't go far enough) and the constant bickering between the unions frustrates the hell out of me, I do feel a bit sorry for both unions. Do not underestimate how much hatred and anger there is amongst the pilot group for JQ. This is not just frustration or a dislike of a few management characters etc, this is 100% pure hatred for the company. They feel over worked, under paid, not respected anywhere near their pears at QF or link and they have had enough. There is zero good will left.
Unfortunately for the AFAP (did they not read the room?) Some of that is now being directed at them. This agreement does not match the expectations of many. They are upset and are voicing that. But, it was always going to be difficult to get their message across the rage and hatred. |
You know why he doesn't move to another carrier, probably for the same reason you wouldn't.
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Originally Posted by tossbag
(Post 11319593)
The young blokes going to the regionals in the US will be paid more than you fellas soon.
Originally Posted by non_state_actor
(Post 11319608)
Breeze and Spirit airlines in the US already pay more in Australian dollars. That's before you even consider cost of living and taxes.
Brand new FO, $90/hr with a min guarantee of 75hrs even on a full reserve roster. 81k USD = 128k AUD. |
And the rest, ain't no sign on bonuses or retention bonuses or captains pay when you have the hours, not while you wait 15 years for an upgrade. $15 dollars a gallon in Aus, $4 in the US, beer, milk, bread, rent.........
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Originally Posted by tossbag
(Post 11319593)
The young blokes going to the regionals in the US will be paid more than you fellas soon.
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I had to build up, to the crescendo. There's more to come. Like people on the dole in Australia soon being on more than a jetstar captain.
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Australian pilots will be moving to South Africa, for better standard of living and better paid pilot jobs.
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You know why he doesn't move to another carrier, probably for the same reason you wouldn't. |
Originally Posted by ANstar
(Post 11319611)
IF you hate it so much why don't you move to another carrier?
It's not Just me, pretty obvious on here, telegram and the line how unhappy people are. Should they Just leave too? If your background is reflected in your username you could most likely make a lot of people's life happier by just retiring. |
Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
(Post 11319685)
Ah yes, the old if you don't like it, leave mentality. I'm working on it but there is a balance of things to consider as you well know. Maybe I do or I don't. Doesn't matter, I still want things to be better for everyone whether I'm here or not.
It's not Just me, pretty obvious on here, telegram and the line how unhappy people are. Should they Just leave too? If your background is reflected in your username you could most likely make a lot of people's life happier by just retiring. |
Just wondering, over here at team Bain there is a steady trickle of crew going mainly to Atlas and National Cargo in the US, and also supposed to be around 50 or so on Qantas hold file. Plus a very large number have elected not to return off the inactive list(as they have gone right through the list of several hundred). Crew are totally fed up with more or less the same crap as at Jetstar (rostering, big reduction in base pay, general flt ops incompetence). Are any Jetstar crew heading to the US (or other overseas employers) ?
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Annual CPI inflation hits 7.3%, highest since 1990 - NCA NewsWire (26 October 2022)
Let's not forget that 3% is a good deal...Cough :\ In the real world, just the last two quarters of 2022 has already eaten that 3% plus another 0.6% on top of that - consider the last three quarters and the figure balloons to 2.7% on top of the 3% already destroyed. https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....15bc2fd554.png |
Originally Posted by slice
(Post 11320061)
Are any Jetstar crew heading to the US (or other overseas employers) ?
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Whenever you're told that you're not worth more...remember this:
2021 CEO Total Compensation (USD) as a function of Company Market Cap 0.0787% ----> Qantas : $5.577 Million @ $7.089 Billion Market Cap 0.0780% ----> American Airlines : $7.24 Million @ $9.287 Billion Market Cap 0.0729% ----> United Airlines : $9.85 Million @ $13.52 Billion Market Cap 0.0583% ----> Alaska Airlines : $3.21 Million @ $5.506 Billion Market Cap 0.0570% ----> Delta Airlines : $12.4 Million @ $21.74 Billion Market Cap 0.0282% ----> Southwest : $5.8 Million @ $20.54 Billion Market Cap 0.0040% ----> Apple : $98 Million @ $2.448 Trillion Market Cap 0.0027% ----> Microsoft : $49.858 Million @ $1.869 Trillion Market Cap 0.0005% ----> Google : $6.32 Million @ $1.365 Trillion Market Cap |
I can’t believe you are entertaining the idea of a retrospective 2 year pay freeze.
We all took a 2 year stand down to save the company. Joyce has said we are now looking at record profits. There is zero need for a pay freeze. |
Originally Posted by Lookleft
(Post 11319419)
For all the rubber neckers who want to know what the problems with Jetstar are look no further than clearice's post at #863. It represents the general consensus of what the main issues are. JQ management would also do well to look at that list.
You still haven't answered my questions, but you have joined the clearice admiration society: Lookleft, do you even work for Jetstar? What is it you want? What are you going to do to get it? |
Originally Posted by What The
(Post 11320158)
I can’t believe you are entertaining the idea of a retrospective 2 year pay freeze.
We all took a 2 year stand down to save the company. Joyce has said we are now looking at record profits. There is zero need for a pay freeze. |
I reckon you’d be silly to vote in an agreement before labours multi employer bargaining kicks in. The airlines are fearful of this change as there is a huge shift in power. Go PIA, let the process drag on and get the best deal you can. Aim for the stars as there has never been a better time to ask for what you’re worth. People resigning, flights cancelled, bad publicity. Jetstar pilots are worth just as much as QF mainline pilots. Fight for it.
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Originally Posted by What The
(Post 11320158)
I can’t believe you are entertaining the idea of a retrospective 2 year pay freeze.
We all took a 2 year stand down to save the company. Joyce has said we are now looking at record profits. There is zero need for a pay freeze. The whole premise of the QF wages policy should have been challenged prior to COVID - unfortunately none of the pilot groups (or other employee groups!) that had the chance took the challenge up to QF IR and called BS. But of all the agreements since QF IR came up with this policy that seems to be made up on the whim of Joyce, this JQ proposal looks to be the greatest in terms of monetary gains. The increase of 20 odd percent to base salary over the life of the agreement is not something to be sneezed at. That is a considerable gain. |
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