Varmints on Virgin
Spending a lot of time in US airports I thinks it’s kind of neat. There aren’t dogs everywhere and they are well behaved. I’m sure if you had a mongrel you wouldn’t embarrass yourself and take it on a flight. Unlike the Bogans with their kids. And of course, you wouldn't expect it to not be a big issue in Australia with evacuation scenarios created by an Oztronaut mindset-what about half the population being so obese they won’t get out an exit in at timely fashion anyways.
I also like the way serving and retired US personnel get a priority boarding and are acknowledged. Wouldn’t expect that gesture to get much traction in Australia either.
I also like the way serving and retired US personnel get a priority boarding and are acknowledged. Wouldn’t expect that gesture to get much traction in Australia either.
Virgin tried it a few years ago and it got the response it deserved. Now, making sure veterans are well cared for, supported and don't end up committing suicide because of a total lack of support and attention from the bloody politicians who sent them away and not persecuting those who dob in others for war crimes might be a good start and something actually meaningful.
As for the pets, must we really follow the 'lead' of this dysfunctional nation of largely uneducated, something like 60% of whom think Noah's Ark is real and a sizeable number, including some in Congress, think the Earth is only 6000 years old? Travel is expensive enough and as annoying enough to not have the added pleasure of smelling pal-farts in the cabin and/or replicating the veritable zoo that is the United States, which is really the only developed country that I can think of who allow this. They also allow mentally disturbed people to purchase assault rifles, should we copy that too?
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So what do you think the punters will do in an evacuation when they are told to "leave everything behind"? Interesting Coroner's report after an event. Fluffy the cat won't be left onboard.
I would have thought this will have a detrimental effect on Airline Liability Cover. I have no doubt CASA will approve it.
I'm with Griffo on this one.
I would have thought this will have a detrimental effect on Airline Liability Cover. I have no doubt CASA will approve it.
I'm with Griffo on this one.
Very entertaining. He was asked at one point "Mr O'Leary, can you tell us about your advice for inspiring your team at Ryanair to keep going and do the right thing, and how you influence people".
O'Leary's response: "I find fear works best."
Then after the chorus of laughter "Torture them and frighten the **** out of them, works every time."
So, a service animal is allowed only if it is toileted prior to the flight, tethered to the seat leg and sits on an absorbent mat throughout the flight. We are talking animals that are exquisitely trained.
As opposed to untrained 'pets'. Last time my daughter's cat stayed with me, I kept its litter clean, made sure it had plenty of food and was well looked after. It repaid me by doing a runny sh-t on an expensive doona insert that was folded neatly in the spare room.
People with service dogs are going to be justifiably annoyed at the hoops they have to jump through to get their animal on board and now we're going to have any pint-sized mongrel in a likely flimsy carrier.
Are baby pit-bulls included in the 'dog' list? As Billy Connolly once observed, "They aren't dogs, they're a f---en shark on a leash, nowt more than a roow of teeth and an ar-ehole!!".
As opposed to untrained 'pets'. Last time my daughter's cat stayed with me, I kept its litter clean, made sure it had plenty of food and was well looked after. It repaid me by doing a runny sh-t on an expensive doona insert that was folded neatly in the spare room.
People with service dogs are going to be justifiably annoyed at the hoops they have to jump through to get their animal on board and now we're going to have any pint-sized mongrel in a likely flimsy carrier.
Are baby pit-bulls included in the 'dog' list? As Billy Connolly once observed, "They aren't dogs, they're a f---en shark on a leash, nowt more than a roow of teeth and an ar-ehole!!".
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The US "thank you for your service" is singularly and meaninglessly indicative of everything that is wrong with the United States. "Thank you for your service and enjoy your night's rest on a park bench when your flight ends" is what they'd say if they were truthful, which is where many of the veterans of the US' multiple, disastrous wars end up. Used as canon fodder then discarded. It's as vacuous as "Have a nice day".
Virgin tried it a few years ago and it got the response it deserved. Now, making sure veterans are well cared for, supported and don't end up committing suicide because of a total lack of support and attention from the bloody politicians who sent them away and not persecuting those who dob in others for war crimes might be a good start and something actually meaningful.
As for the pets, must we really follow the 'lead' of this dysfunctional nation of largely uneducated, something like 60% of whom think Noah's Ark is real and a sizeable number, including some in Congress, think the Earth is only 6000 years old? Travel is expensive enough and as annoying enough to not have the added pleasure of smelling pal-farts in the cabin and/or replicating the veritable zoo that is the United States, which is really the only developed country that I can think of who allow this. They also allow mentally disturbed people to purchase assault rifles, should we copy that too?
Virgin tried it a few years ago and it got the response it deserved. Now, making sure veterans are well cared for, supported and don't end up committing suicide because of a total lack of support and attention from the bloody politicians who sent them away and not persecuting those who dob in others for war crimes might be a good start and something actually meaningful.
As for the pets, must we really follow the 'lead' of this dysfunctional nation of largely uneducated, something like 60% of whom think Noah's Ark is real and a sizeable number, including some in Congress, think the Earth is only 6000 years old? Travel is expensive enough and as annoying enough to not have the added pleasure of smelling pal-farts in the cabin and/or replicating the veritable zoo that is the United States, which is really the only developed country that I can think of who allow this. They also allow mentally disturbed people to purchase assault rifles, should we copy that too?
Letting US service personnel onto the aircraft is actually a gesture from commercial entities. It’s not politically commanded. I prefer this to our corporates entities and sporting institutions telling us how to vote and what to endorse morally. Or drowned in Welcome To Countries when anyone who lived in indigenous communities, knows this is a rubbish narrative.
The plague of citizens from Western countries, obsessed with outlining the wrongs of the United States, whilst completely taking their eye of the ball in their own country is proving universally detrimental. Australia has never been so divided. In such a short period. Albo and his stubbornness on The Voice, what should have been a harmless gesture. Or happy to let anti-Semitism run wild due the political expedience of his rabid left and sectarian vote. And now we have generational divide and envy being promoted. You’re now a mug in this country to be white and a self-funded retiree. But keep piling on the Third World immigration especially from countries where the chance of assimilation minimal.
Fix your own backyard. Dogs in aircraft in the States was a mere positive observation in my experience and most others.
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Wow! That’s the uptight Aussie attitude I was talking about.
Letting US service personnel onto the aircraft is actually a gesture from commercial entities. It’s not politically commanded. I prefer this to our corporates entities and sporting institutions telling us how to vote and what to endorse morally. Or drowned in Welcome To Countries when anyone who lived in indigenous communities, knows this is a rubbish narrative.
The plague of citizens from Western countries, obsessed with outlining the wrongs of the United States, whilst completely taking their eye of the ball in their own country is proving universally detrimental. Australia has never been so divided. In such a short period. Albo and his stubbornness on The Voice, what should have been a harmless gesture. Or happy to let anti-Semitism run wild due the political expedience of his rabid left and sectarian vote. And now we have generational divide and envy being promoted. You’re now a mug in this country to be white and a self-funded retiree. But keep piling on the Third World immigration especially from countries where the chance of assimilation minimal.
Fix your own backyard. Dogs in aircraft in the States was a mere positive observation in my experience and most others.
Letting US service personnel onto the aircraft is actually a gesture from commercial entities. It’s not politically commanded. I prefer this to our corporates entities and sporting institutions telling us how to vote and what to endorse morally. Or drowned in Welcome To Countries when anyone who lived in indigenous communities, knows this is a rubbish narrative.
The plague of citizens from Western countries, obsessed with outlining the wrongs of the United States, whilst completely taking their eye of the ball in their own country is proving universally detrimental. Australia has never been so divided. In such a short period. Albo and his stubbornness on The Voice, what should have been a harmless gesture. Or happy to let anti-Semitism run wild due the political expedience of his rabid left and sectarian vote. And now we have generational divide and envy being promoted. You’re now a mug in this country to be white and a self-funded retiree. But keep piling on the Third World immigration especially from countries where the chance of assimilation minimal.
Fix your own backyard. Dogs in aircraft in the States was a mere positive observation in my experience and most others.
As for the rest of your diatribe, if you think it's so great, why don't you go and live in the United States, send your kids to a US primary school if you have them and roll the dice on whether some moron with a gun fetish decides to take out his inability to 'get any' by shooting children and teachers.
Despite the faults we have, like many countries, this is by far a better society than the United States in just about every measure, even putting aside the basics like infant mortality rate, average life expectancy, etc. Kids can go to school here without fear of the now weekly mass-shootings that occur in the United States, people don't have to sell their house if they need cancer treatment and while some of the 'welcome to country' stuff might annoy you and the voice campaign (I note no mention of the out and out bloody bare-faced lies that were told by the other side, the home of Robodebt, I don't hold a hose, bugging a friendly country's government building under the auspices of an aid project then persecuting the whistle-blower and his lawyer - while the minister and department head enjoy high paid consultancy roles with the private company that stood to gain from the espionage), it's all obviously one-side's fault because they made a commitment and tried to see it through. Weird because people usually accuse politicians of not doing what they say.
And I don't particularly care whether you think it's 'uptight' or not, the fact is everyone knows the US treat their veterans worse than just about any other western country. Even going back to the Civil War where veterans had to queue for days to apply for and get artificial limbs while an official waded through war records bound with 'red tape', hence the phrase). Last time I was in San Francisco, even in the 1990s, the number of veterans begging on the streets was beyond belief. Now even normal families are living under bridges and on the streets, in lean to tents.
And I haven't even got to an electoral system that relentlessly attempts to disenfranchise anyone they don't want to vote, by imposing ridiculous and onerous 'ID laws' and pulling stunts like having ONE early voting centre in a poor area and half a dozen in a rich area.
You're really going too make the argument that's uptight?
I used to admire the United States and many aspects of their history. Now they are a Jesus-obsessed, uneducated, insane asylum that thinks doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result is perfectly normal. For goodness sake, so-called 'leaders' of the community insisting the Earth is 6000 years old. Give me a break - these idiots actually get elected, because of the above-mentioned suppression and a good dose of gerrymandering (a term invented and a concept invented in the United States).
Happy to look at all the international empirical evidence that points to just how far down the democracy rankings the United States now sit. No thanks, I'll keep my Medicare and Superannuation and lifestyle and lack of fear of losing my house if I'm unlucky enough to get really sick and put up with the 'Welcome to Country', whether it's vacuous or not.
I find it hilarious that you criticise company's here for attaching themselves to social causes yet you seem completely blind to the fact that air carriers, for example, in the United States don't invite veterans to board first because they get warm and fuzzy, they do it because it looks nice and more people might fly with them, so, it's just about money really, like everything else, which is exactly why companies in Australia put rainbows out and paint them on their aeroplanes or display such on their website(s), because of the so-called 'pink dollar'. It's all just about making money, everywhere.
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Wow! That’s the uptight Aussie attitude I was talking about.
Letting US service personnel onto the aircraft is actually a gesture from commercial entities. It’s not politically commanded. I prefer this to our corporates entities and sporting institutions telling us how to vote and what to endorse morally. Or drowned in Welcome To Countries when anyone who lived in indigenous communities, knows this is a rubbish narrative.
The plague of citizens from Western countries, obsessed with outlining the wrongs of the United States, whilst completely taking their eye of the ball in their own country is proving universally detrimental. Australia has never been so divided. In such a short period. Albo and his stubbornness on The Voice, what should have been a harmless gesture. Or happy to let anti-Semitism run wild due the political expedience of his rabid left and sectarian vote. And now we have generational divide and envy being promoted. You’re now a mug in this country to be white and a self-funded retiree. But keep piling on the Third World immigration especially from countries where the chance of assimilation minimal.
Fix your own backyard. Dogs in aircraft in the States was a mere positive observation in my experience and most others.
Letting US service personnel onto the aircraft is actually a gesture from commercial entities. It’s not politically commanded. I prefer this to our corporates entities and sporting institutions telling us how to vote and what to endorse morally. Or drowned in Welcome To Countries when anyone who lived in indigenous communities, knows this is a rubbish narrative.
The plague of citizens from Western countries, obsessed with outlining the wrongs of the United States, whilst completely taking their eye of the ball in their own country is proving universally detrimental. Australia has never been so divided. In such a short period. Albo and his stubbornness on The Voice, what should have been a harmless gesture. Or happy to let anti-Semitism run wild due the political expedience of his rabid left and sectarian vote. And now we have generational divide and envy being promoted. You’re now a mug in this country to be white and a self-funded retiree. But keep piling on the Third World immigration especially from countries where the chance of assimilation minimal.
Fix your own backyard. Dogs in aircraft in the States was a mere positive observation in my experience and most others.
Albo didn't divide Australia mate, that has been happening for a long, long, time, since some idiot started giving retirees the ability to claim imputation credits when they hadn't paid any tax and encouraged the purchase of dozens of investment properties, then introduced home owner's grants that pushed the prices up even further, while all politicians get obscene pensions and on both sides own properties, many in their wives' or partners' name so they can rent them to their spouse who can claim the tax-free accommodation allowance from the Commonwealth Government and effectively pay their mortgage on the investment property off, tax free. So, going back 10 or so years, why does a bloke get kicked out of Parliament for breaching s44 because he just happens to own a share in his Electoral Office building that has it's rent paid by the Commonwealth?
That sort of BS is why the country is divided and at least some of the blame also rests on certain 'Senators' who can barely string a sentence together but have spent the last 20 years doing a round-robin of victimisation on any and every minority group the said Senator can think of.
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Meanwhile, back at the dog and cat show....................
One thing not yet pointed out is that most animals do NOT like being put into a carrier cage for the first (second and third) time.
They need to be "socialised" into the concept.
For the Bali Bogan families who think that they can just stick their schnauzer (leave it alone, it's already in the jokes thread) into a crate and it'll sit quietly under the seat then they need to have another think.
One thing not yet pointed out is that most animals do NOT like being put into a carrier cage for the first (second and third) time.
They need to be "socialised" into the concept.
For the Bali Bogan families who think that they can just stick their schnauzer (leave it alone, it's already in the jokes thread) into a crate and it'll sit quietly under the seat then they need to have another think.
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Possibly the dumbest effing idea I've ever heard, apart from one of the Chinese airlines saying they were going to have people standing so they could cram more in. But hey it is "Virgin on the ridiculous" so I shouldn't be surprised. I like the "if you don't want to be near a pet you'll be able to book a seat away from them" which I read as "you'll be able to book and pay", just another money grab
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Possibly the dumbest effing idea I've ever heard, apart from one of the Chinese airlines saying they were going to have people standing so they could cram more in. But hey it is "Virgin on the ridiculous" so I shouldn't be surprised. I like the "if you don't want to be near a pet you'll be able to book a seat away from them" which I read as "you'll be able to book and pay", just another money grab
Reminds me of when a prior CEO was there, spending billions on lounges, pay-through-the-nose leases and parking aeroplanes, getting rid of the pilots that flew them then realising they needed them and having to pay through the nose for QQ to do all that flying.
Same bloke who put out ridiculous edicts such as never wanting to see a piece of equipment with a QF logo on it attached to a VA aircraft - I know of several instances where a tug broke down, the two ground handlers couldn't help and QF were called and pushed the aircraft out for VA (cheaper than the two ground handlers apparently, alternative being it would still be sitting there if they'd followed the boss' rules). No one saw the logo except the crew when the tug drove away. The same bloke wouldn't hear of Flight Crew sitting in a comfortable seat when paxing across the continent to fly a full A330 back but insisted his ass only sit in 'the Business' which is kind of ironic since he left the company 'in the business', followed by being awarded a number of gravy-train board seats and collecting an AO for 'services to aviation'.
Funny thing about the QF logo thing was that if a VA A330 ever diverted somewhere where VA didn't operate them within Australia, Ops would likely have called Universal who of course, would call Qantas to provide GSE.
The same person oversaw a situation where ANYONE who walked in the door with even a shred of REAL knowledge about aviation and running an airline was quickly shown the door, the moment they disagreed with any of the stupid decisions, obviously made by someone having spent a career selling tickets and no time working in an actual airline operation.
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Dang Varmints! https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/2de27c4...#o70azMr3.copy
And as for the anti-semitism crack, sure, it exists, it's hardly 'rampant' though. Hamas are scum but it's at a point now that even reflecting modestly on the actions of the Israeli PM, a politician, who let's not forget, is on the nose in his own country for trying to manipulate the Supreme Court, presumably to avoid facing justice, is considered 'anti-semitism'.
Albo didn't divide Australia mate, that has been happening for a long, long, time, since some idiot started giving retirees the ability to claim imputation credits when they hadn't paid any tax and encouraged the purchase of dozens of investment properties, then introduced home owner's grants that pushed the prices up even further, while all politicians get obscene pensions and on both sides own properties, many in their wives' or partners' name so they can rent them to their spouse who can claim the tax-free accommodation allowance from the Commonwealth Government and effectively pay their mortgage on the investment property off, tax free. So, going back 10 or so years, why does a bloke get kicked out of Parliament for breaching s44 because he just happens to own a share in his Electoral Office building that has it's rent paid by the Commonwealth?
That sort of BS is why the country is divided and at least some of the blame also rests on certain 'Senators' who can barely string a sentence together but have spent the last 20 years doing a round-robin of victimisation on any and every minority group the said Senator can think of.
Albo didn't divide Australia mate, that has been happening for a long, long, time, since some idiot started giving retirees the ability to claim imputation credits when they hadn't paid any tax and encouraged the purchase of dozens of investment properties, then introduced home owner's grants that pushed the prices up even further, while all politicians get obscene pensions and on both sides own properties, many in their wives' or partners' name so they can rent them to their spouse who can claim the tax-free accommodation allowance from the Commonwealth Government and effectively pay their mortgage on the investment property off, tax free. So, going back 10 or so years, why does a bloke get kicked out of Parliament for breaching s44 because he just happens to own a share in his Electoral Office building that has it's rent paid by the Commonwealth?
That sort of BS is why the country is divided and at least some of the blame also rests on certain 'Senators' who can barely string a sentence together but have spent the last 20 years doing a round-robin of victimisation on any and every minority group the said Senator can think of.
If you’ve been an airline pilot for the last 20 or so years you’ve had all of these so called divisive investment opportunities available to you. Are you funding your own retirement or are you going to sing along with Albo and try take from others who have?
Little dogs work fine on aeroplanes- and that’s from observations in the US. They are infinitely less intrusive to the comfort of journey than a lot of the cliental on Aussie locos like Virgin, who are particularly unsophisticated in manners and hygiene.
Whatever Virgin did to you it is equally unsophisticated to take it out on little animals. 🙂
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….since some idiot started giving retirees the ability to claim imputation credits when they hadn't paid any tax
Anyway; where were we on pets on jets?
How about some seats in cargo for those pax that suffer from separation anxiety when away from their larger fluffies for any duration longer than a bathroom break . Then everybody can be happy .
Wow! That’s the uptight Aussie attitude I was talking about.
Letting US service personnel onto the aircraft is actually a gesture from commercial entities. It’s not politically commanded. I prefer this to our corporates entities and sporting institutions telling us how to vote and what to endorse morally. Or drowned in Welcome To Countries when anyone who lived in indigenous communities, knows this is a rubbish narrative.
The plague of citizens from Western countries, obsessed with outlining the wrongs of the United States, whilst completely taking their eye of the ball in their own country is proving universally detrimental. Australia has never been so divided. In such a short period. Albo and his stubbornness on The Voice, what should have been a harmless gesture. Or happy to let anti-Semitism run wild due the political expedience of his rabid left and sectarian vote. And now we have generational divide and envy being promoted. You’re now a mug in this country to be white and a self-funded retiree. But keep piling on the Third World immigration especially from countries where the chance of assimilation minimal.
Fix your own backyard. Dogs in aircraft in the States was a mere positive observation in my experience and most others.
Letting US service personnel onto the aircraft is actually a gesture from commercial entities. It’s not politically commanded. I prefer this to our corporates entities and sporting institutions telling us how to vote and what to endorse morally. Or drowned in Welcome To Countries when anyone who lived in indigenous communities, knows this is a rubbish narrative.
The plague of citizens from Western countries, obsessed with outlining the wrongs of the United States, whilst completely taking their eye of the ball in their own country is proving universally detrimental. Australia has never been so divided. In such a short period. Albo and his stubbornness on The Voice, what should have been a harmless gesture. Or happy to let anti-Semitism run wild due the political expedience of his rabid left and sectarian vote. And now we have generational divide and envy being promoted. You’re now a mug in this country to be white and a self-funded retiree. But keep piling on the Third World immigration especially from countries where the chance of assimilation minimal.
Fix your own backyard. Dogs in aircraft in the States was a mere positive observation in my experience and most others.
Irrespective of political leanings, you can't just replace established cultural norms with foreign ones and not expect some pushback or criticism. A great example would be your own comments above re: immigration.
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Good points. I did, however, ask a couple of Vietnam veterans how they’d feel been given boarding priority, so they could get their carry-on above their locker prior the Bogans, and they seemed pretty happy. Add the free meal and drinks that US service personnel get and and it was sealed. You’re right, they wouldn’t want it publicly announced, culturally ostentatiously like in the US, but served up as a courtesy it would be more than tokenism.
Dead right on this being a publicity stunt. They seem to be going back to the Virgin Blue practice of announcing rubbish for free advertising and to wind their staff up, keeping their minds off how badly paid they were in the early 2000’s. Worked a treat. Remember the Staff Island and Sir Richard’s carry on? It sure took the industry in a new direction.
Dead right on this being a publicity stunt. They seem to be going back to the Virgin Blue practice of announcing rubbish for free advertising and to wind their staff up, keeping their minds off how badly paid they were in the early 2000’s. Worked a treat. Remember the Staff Island and Sir Richard’s carry on? It sure took the industry in a new direction.
