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I wasn't aware the people making the actual decisions were ****posting on pprune, but there you go. How did you work out who they were? Impressive sleuthing.
You proclaim you're just here being 'cognizant' of the risks. As if the pilot body is somehow incapable of discerning those risk themselves. Thank Christ you've identified them for us all.
Perhaps, just perhaps, the pilot body, aware of those risks, believes the best avenue available to them is the course of action they are taking. That the 'risks' to their conditions are balanced by the opportunity to finally put an end to the disgrace that is the IR 'negotiating' tactics of Q that have seen conditions utterly destroyed whilst executives (I wonder, you?) have run away with ever increasing and fantastic bonuses. Taking money from pilots pockets, and putting it in their own. Honestly seems the only thing management are competent at these days. I'm interested, for all your criticism of the path NAA are taking, you've not offered (to my knowledge) an alternative course of action that would see their position properly improved? I'm all ears.
I'd rather die fighting than to capitulate to pathetic fear mongering by those with a clear agenda to sow division.
Think I might make another donation.
You proclaim you're just here being 'cognizant' of the risks. As if the pilot body is somehow incapable of discerning those risk themselves. Thank Christ you've identified them for us all.
Perhaps, just perhaps, the pilot body, aware of those risks, believes the best avenue available to them is the course of action they are taking. That the 'risks' to their conditions are balanced by the opportunity to finally put an end to the disgrace that is the IR 'negotiating' tactics of Q that have seen conditions utterly destroyed whilst executives (I wonder, you?) have run away with ever increasing and fantastic bonuses. Taking money from pilots pockets, and putting it in their own. Honestly seems the only thing management are competent at these days. I'm interested, for all your criticism of the path NAA are taking, you've not offered (to my knowledge) an alternative course of action that would see their position properly improved? I'm all ears.
I'd rather die fighting than to capitulate to pathetic fear mongering by those with a clear agenda to sow division.
Think I might make another donation.
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Further, you seemed to have missed 'a bit' of my post to you. Not to worry, control C+V to the rescue.
Originally Posted by Das "I love repeating myself" Soldat
I'm interested, for all your criticism of the path NAA are taking, you've not offered (to my knowledge) an alternative course of action that would see their position properly improved? I'm all ears.
Take all the time you need.
I’m just posting to let everyone know I’m waiting for YeahNup to reply to das Uber Soldat.
YeahNup is desperately scrambling to subtly try change the minds of NAA pilots... Worried your job is on the line, eh buddy? How’d that little AFAP survey go the other day, pal? No KPIs, friend? You ok, mate? Eh? Ey?!
YeahNup is desperately scrambling to subtly try change the minds of NAA pilots... Worried your job is on the line, eh buddy? How’d that little AFAP survey go the other day, pal? No KPIs, friend? You ok, mate? Eh? Ey?!
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I agree with your points - I've never said otherwise. I'm still unsure what your objection could be to observing all matters affecting this situation.
As I've stated previously, I personally am in favour of pushing these negotiations, just with my eyes wide open. Why do you see this as some personal attack or capitulation?
As I've stated previously, I personally am in favour of pushing these negotiations, just with my eyes wide open. Why do you see this as some personal attack or capitulation?
Would you concede that,
1/Pilots have been taking the proverbial pineapple from airline management for many years now. Coupled with years of GA rogering prior, pineappling now, understandably leads to frustration and anger.
2/ Countless instances of trolling by management on these boards, including this one - by a notable character with poor username language skills, leads to suspicion of intent by those who prima facie push the ‘management line’
.
3/ Posters who just appear to be ‘trying too hard’ to persuade others to a minority point of view.
There has been $35,000 raised in donations to support fellow pilots fighting for us all. I’ve never seen that behaviour before in 25 years in this industry. We’ve all seen the types of behaviour mentioned in my post above countless times.
Guess which behaviour I think should be celebrated and used as a beacon of hope in this otherwise f^&%ked up industry.
Lets hold onto that victory…at least for a bit hey YeahNup?
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PS $24500 raised for Network Pilots. An industry turning point!
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I get it morno, I know of one fellow who's spent the last two years paying down covid debt, every cent on top of weekly expenses goes to paying down that debt. Every day without pay would hurt.
Apologies for my zeal, I just think we can do better.
Apologies for my zeal, I just think we can do better.
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Further to this, the GREATER the number of donations (doesn’t matter how big or small the contribution) the BIGGER the message is that we are ALL behind this movement.
Every Australian pilot should be vested in what’s happening on the tarmac in WA.
Every Australian pilot should be vested in what’s happening on the tarmac in WA.
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I’m just posting to let everyone know I’m waiting for YeahNup to reply to das Uber Soldat.
YeahNup is desperately scrambling to subtly try to change the minds of NAA pilots... Worried your job is on the line, eh buddy? How’d that little AFAP survey go the other day, pal? No KPIs, friend? You ok, mate? Eh? Ey?!
YeahNup is desperately scrambling to subtly try to change the minds of NAA pilots... Worried your job is on the line, eh buddy? How’d that little AFAP survey go the other day, pal? No KPIs, friend? You ok, mate? Eh? Ey?!
The path taken has done nothing but back both parties into a corner and left them with nowhere to go but to double down and go to war. For all the PIA actions taken, what has been achieved? Have they come back to the table? Moving to IB could have been achieved without costing NAA pilots a week's wages and more to come. If IB is granted, then no PIA action will be allowed, and what will have been achieved in the meantime? Yes, the strike fund has seen some incredibly generous donations, but divided between 200 pilots, it won't cover much.
I'll say it again - I am in favour of improving this deal; adding an industry-standard overtime rate and 10 RDOs would be a good start, in my opinion. You may have a contrary view, but that doesn't make me a troll. I'll be happy when this goes to IB, as it will finally end this sorry saga. However, I know it's a risk.
Soseg, do you actually have skin in the game? Anyway, flame away and keep up the vilification if it helps you feel better.
No one should be making personal attacks here, granted. I’ve been guilty of it myself at times on this forum in the past.I’ll concede that to you.
Would you concede that,
1/Pilots have been taking the proverbial pineapple from airline management for many years now. Coupled with years of GA rogering prior, pineappling now, understandably leads to frustration and anger.
2/ Countless instances of trolling by management on these boards, including this one - by a notable character with poor username language skills, leads to suspicion of intent by those who prima facie push the ‘management line’
.
3/ Posters who just appear to be ‘trying too hard’ to persuade others to a minority point of view.
There has been $35,000 raised in donations to support fellow pilots fighting for us all. I’ve never seen that behaviour before in 25 years in this industry. We’ve all seen the types of behaviour mentioned in my post above countless times.
Guess which behaviour I think should be celebrated and used as a beacon of hope in this otherwise f^&%ked up industry.
Lets hold onto that victory…at least for a bit hey YeahNup?
Would you concede that,
1/Pilots have been taking the proverbial pineapple from airline management for many years now. Coupled with years of GA rogering prior, pineappling now, understandably leads to frustration and anger.
2/ Countless instances of trolling by management on these boards, including this one - by a notable character with poor username language skills, leads to suspicion of intent by those who prima facie push the ‘management line’
.
3/ Posters who just appear to be ‘trying too hard’ to persuade others to a minority point of view.
There has been $35,000 raised in donations to support fellow pilots fighting for us all. I’ve never seen that behaviour before in 25 years in this industry. We’ve all seen the types of behaviour mentioned in my post above countless times.
Guess which behaviour I think should be celebrated and used as a beacon of hope in this otherwise f^&%ked up industry.
Lets hold onto that victory…at least for a bit hey YeahNup?
Accusing people of being management trolls because they hold a view contrary to your own is patently ridiculous. But it's probably the kind of response that one would expect from you - lots of childish noise with little content.
The path taken has done nothing but back both parties into a corner and left them with nowhere to go but to double down and go to war. For all the PIA actions taken, what has been achieved? Have they come back to the table? Moving to IB could have been achieved without costing NAA pilots a week's wages and more to come. If IB is granted, then no PIA action will be allowed, and what will have been achieved in the meantime? Yes, the strike fund has seen some incredibly generous donations, but divided between 200 pilots, it won't cover much.
I'll say it again - I am in favour of improving this deal; adding an industry-standard overtime rate and 10 RDOs would be a good start, in my opinion. You may have a contrary view, but that doesn't make me a troll. I'll be happy when this goes to IB, as it will finally end this sorry saga. However, I know it's a risk.
Soseg, do you actually have skin in the game? Anyway, flame away and keep up the vilification if it helps you feel better.
The path taken has done nothing but back both parties into a corner and left them with nowhere to go but to double down and go to war. For all the PIA actions taken, what has been achieved? Have they come back to the table? Moving to IB could have been achieved without costing NAA pilots a week's wages and more to come. If IB is granted, then no PIA action will be allowed, and what will have been achieved in the meantime? Yes, the strike fund has seen some incredibly generous donations, but divided between 200 pilots, it won't cover much.
I'll say it again - I am in favour of improving this deal; adding an industry-standard overtime rate and 10 RDOs would be a good start, in my opinion. You may have a contrary view, but that doesn't make me a troll. I'll be happy when this goes to IB, as it will finally end this sorry saga. However, I know it's a risk.
Soseg, do you actually have skin in the game? Anyway, flame away and keep up the vilification if it helps you feel better.
- there is no reasonable prospect of agreement being reached if the Commission does not make the declaration
- it is reasonable in all the circumstances to make the declaration, taking into account the views of all of the bargaining representatives.
The difficulty is that AFAP endorsed an agreement that was voted down. It remains to be seen why members did not follow AFAP's endorsement as the bargaining representative. However, IMO it would be a stretch to say 'there is no reasonable prospect of agreement being reached if the Commission does not make the declaration'. I think Q may have been somewhat premature in their tactic. IOW "Try harder".
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Pragmatically, the FWC might also take note of how strenuously we have taken PIA to protest the behaviour of Qantas and to attempt to get them to negotiate. I don’t know that but sitting there and taking it, patiently waiting out a lengthy bureaucratic process doesn’t reflect to the FWC just how unhappy we are at all, and who knows how that might affect their determination.
What Mgmt has achieved is bitter enmity with their workforce in an unprecedented environment of genuine skill / experience shortages.
Congratulations, bonus’ & share buybacks all round.
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The path taken has done nothing but back both parties into a corner and left them with nowhere to go but to double down and go to war.
The pilots are tired and many no longer want to work under the current conditions, why would they not pull their labour? The alternative is many more years of being dissatisfied.
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