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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 04:40
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Why? Is it because no one could possibly have a different point of view to you?

I don’t know who the reps are at AIPA, nor the AFAP or TWU, however they are all volunteering their time for the betterment of their fellow pilots. You might not agree with their approach however they are doing a hell of a lot more than taking pot shots on an anonymous website.

I’m sure they all believe they are doing what is in the best interest of pilots and to accuse any of them (from any union) of ‘selling out’, without any evidence, lowers the tone of the entire debate and is a cheap shot.
yeah. How many ex presidents have crossed over to management. It should be expressly forbidden. QANTAS knows how to corrupt our group and has no problem doing it.
Nathan Safe comes to mind. What a grub.
this is why the union not keeping us updated on EXACTLY what they’re up to worries me.
it doesn’t effect the negotiations as stated…why the secrecy!?
as members we should know exactly what’s happening and where we are in negotiations.

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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 18:34
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I can’t wait to see how group pilots will be so enthusiastically donating to the mainline SH pilots PIA fund when and if it ends up down that path.
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 20:05
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I can’t wait to see how group pilots will be so enthusiastically donating to the mainline SH pilots PIA fund when and if it ends up down that path.
They are not paid award wages you grub.

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They are not paid award wages you grub.
**below award**
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 20:23
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
**below award**
All the more reason to cancel the current EA!
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 20:41
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All the more reason to cancel the current EA!
True. As long as that doesn’t reset PIA. I would suggest retaining PIA as is would be a very good idea.

This will be a very interesting week indeed. My understanding is IR has decided to put the EA to a vote knowing full well how much financial stress some are under, in the hope that they have brought enough pilots to their knees to vote yes. Duress is their only real weapon, sadly the FWC allows it to continue as a quasi UN-PIA.

Keep your chin up NAA guys, you’re the tip of the spear right now and most of us are in awe of your grit!
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 21:02
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
True. As long as that doesn’t reset PIA. I would suggest retaining PIA as is would be a very good idea.

This will be a very interesting week indeed. My understanding is IR has decided to put the EA to a vote knowing full well how much financial stress some are under, in the hope that they have brought enough pilots to their knees to vote yes. Duress is their only real weapon, sadly the FWC allows it to continue as a quasi UN-PIA.

Keep your chin up NAA guys, you’re the tip of the spear right now and most of us are in awe of your grit!
Working to award conditions would not only improve pay for NAA Pilots but would cause the company significantly more pain then the current PIA.
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 21:12
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Working to award conditions would not only improve pay for NAA Pilots but would cause the company significantly more pain then the current PIA.
Has AFAP been approached to do this?
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 21:16
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I can’t wait to see how group pilots will be so enthusiastically donating to the mainline SH pilots PIA fund when and if it ends up down that path.
Why actively try and create division with statements like that when..we…..are….ahhhh no don’t worry, I get it…good try.
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Why actively try and create division with statements like that when..we…..are….ahhhh no don’t worry, I get it…good try.
Join date, amount of posts, and content in previous posts is enough to show you what his intentions are (and where his office may be).....
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 21:32
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Originally Posted by nomess
They are not paid award wages you grub.
Exhibit A.
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 21:50
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I can’t wait to see how group pilots will be so enthusiastically donating to the mainline SH pilots PIA fund when and if it ends up down that path.
Get a new account and try again.
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Old 3rd Mar 2024, 22:31
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I am always confused for calculation based on the award.

How much should a A320 FO being paid based on the award?
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Old 4th Mar 2024, 02:31
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Originally Posted by spc98075c
I am always confused for calculation based on the award.

How much should a A320 FO being paid based on the award?
A good question to ask your Pilot Union as the award is certainly confusing for those of us who don’t know the ins and outs of it.

I got a base salary of $139,775 but there’s allowances for night flying ect. that may apply as well? I included percentage increases each year as per the FWC from 2021 onwards (Air Pilots Award 2020). Maybe someone else could do better??
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Old 4th Mar 2024, 02:33
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Originally Posted by spc98075c
I am always confused for calculation based on the award.

How much should a A320 FO being paid based on the award?
Air Pilots Award 2020

Based on the award a Captain of a Narrowbody jet 320 size should be paid a minimum in 2023 of a base of $162,539, plus allowances for Turbojet ($12,742), ATPL ($6,012) and CIR ($7,286) totalling $188,579.

An FO 320 should be a base of $107,046 plus T/Jet and ATPL allowances for a total minimum of $122,614.

If it comes before the FWC all they have to ensure is any proposed agreement or determination meets those minimums.
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Old 4th Mar 2024, 02:53
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Air Pilots Award 2020

Based on the award a Captain of a Narrowbody jet 320 size should be paid a minimum in 2023 of a base of $162,539, plus allowances for Turbojet ($12,742), ATPL ($6,012) and CIR ($7,286) totalling $188,579.

An FO 320 should be a base of $107,046 plus T/Jet and ATPL allowances for a total minimum of $122,614.

If it comes before the FWC all they have to ensure is any proposed agreement or determination meets those minimums.
Does that include yearly CPI (FWC Determined) increases (2021: 2.5%, 2022: 4.6%, 2023: 5.75%)?
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Old 4th Mar 2024, 03:13
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I can tell you that if the best they can do in a QANTAS group airline is "minimum award" wage, I'll be gone, so will half the guys I know there, it's a disgrace.
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Old 4th Mar 2024, 03:17
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Originally Posted by dr dre
Air Pilots Award 2020

Based on the award a Captain of a Narrowbody jet 320 size should be paid a minimum in 2023 of a base of $162,539, plus allowances for Turbojet ($12,742), ATPL ($6,012) and CIR ($7,286) totalling $188,579.

An FO 320 should be a base of $107,046 plus T/Jet and ATPL allowances for a total minimum of $122,614.

If it comes before the FWC all they have to ensure is any proposed agreement or determination meets those minimums.
then it will be up to union negotiators to explain to the commission how undervalued every variation to the award that exists in the company’s proposal is. Hard to demonstrate, maybe, because that basically comes down to whether people are willing to work on a contract that contains those variations, but they can point out how much trouble NJS is having retaining and recruiting with a considerably better contract.
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Old 4th Mar 2024, 03:18
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Originally Posted by LivingtheDream46
I can tell you that if the best they can do in a QANTAS group airline is "minimum award" wage, I'll be gone, so will half the guys I know there, it's a disgrace.
NAA Pilots are already being paid BELOW the award wage (and have been for some time).

The idea that is being thrown around is to make an application to CANCEL the current EA and revert to the award. This will give most (if not all) NAA Pilots a pay rise and make it almost impossible for management to run an airline.

The idea being that this will be more effective in bringing everyone back to the table than PIA. Ie: it will have a significant financial impact on the company but actually improve a Pilots wage.
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Old 4th Mar 2024, 03:32
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Why would it make it impossible to run the airline?
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