Network Aviation PIA
According to FIDS I counted 61 flights cancelled today(Could be more or less as screen kept jumping). Many of those flights had reasonable pax counts on them too. Could be a long day for all involved.
I do wonder why they opted to go straight to disruption though or did they have other actions prior to this?
I do wonder why they opted to go straight to disruption though or did they have other actions prior to this?
I do wonder why they opted to go straight to disruption though or did they have other actions prior to this?
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A business who have been found guilty of sacking 1700 workers illegally.
Now locked in a battle to the death with their lowest paid pilots and threatening to cancel back pay.
Given the negative press against QF atm, I can’t believe this isn’t running as front page news over the whole country.
The little turd may be hiding in Dublin, but the way they treat their staff, customers and share holders is exactly as he left it.
Complete board and management clean out required.
When’s the next strike? They simply won’t survive this week after week.
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If that EA proposal was given to 'any other' entity, it would be an immediate rejection by all unions without question. The fact it is even considered by some is baffling to me, negatively biased and short term thinking.
It seems to me this battle between Network and Qantas has been a long time coming. Network pilots have some of the highest duty hours and lowest remuneration (below award), clearly unsustainable on the pilots.
Regardless of your union or allegiance it makes sense to give your full support to Network Aviation pilots. If the unthinkable happens, and the pilots lose this fight, then the '20 years to command' Short Haul talk will be lost memory. There will be no Short Haul. We all know Network Aviation will take over the short haul flying in the blink of an eye. The bulk of Qantas will be made up of Network/NJS and Long Haul. For the sake of Australian Aviation, the pilots cannot be permitted to lose this fight and every bit of support need to be thrown their way.
It seems to me this battle between Network and Qantas has been a long time coming. Network pilots have some of the highest duty hours and lowest remuneration (below award), clearly unsustainable on the pilots.
Regardless of your union or allegiance it makes sense to give your full support to Network Aviation pilots. If the unthinkable happens, and the pilots lose this fight, then the '20 years to command' Short Haul talk will be lost memory. There will be no Short Haul. We all know Network Aviation will take over the short haul flying in the blink of an eye. The bulk of Qantas will be made up of Network/NJS and Long Haul. For the sake of Australian Aviation, the pilots cannot be permitted to lose this fight and every bit of support need to be thrown their way.
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Yeah, but what does an A380 TRE get? (Stick with it, we’ve seen this playbook before).
I’d rather read my QF PER departures FIDS app. Non fiction unsustainability right there.
I’d rather read my QF PER departures FIDS app. Non fiction unsustainability right there.
Spot on. Because of course they aren’t sorry. Why do you think every times there’s an apology for the 1700 people sacked, that their is always the caveat ‘But the courts found we had sound commercial reasons to do it’.
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In the interest of supporting each other, would those pilots who were lucky enough to be rostered RDOs on days when PIA is taking place be willing to contribute part of their day's pay to a pool that can be distributed among those who have taken a financial hit? Shouldn't everyone share the financial burden equally if this negotiation becomes long and protracted?
Probably not. I get the idea, however can be quite a task to setup/run/organise, and would get complicated once the PIA days start to grow. In a previous one I participated, someone tried doing it, but after the days built up it evened itself out across most people, was a small minority who ran into bad luck with all days on falling on PIA days and some who had all days off fall into the PIA days.
If you know people are struggling, band together and reach out to those in need, we had an online group and anyone who was in real financial strife, honestly raise your hand and we can try to assist. I understand it can be an uncomfortable time financially for some, however the reward is worth it in the long run, if you hang on, you will gain the required improvements, but to those who are in real financial difficulty, and for those who are not so much, assist them where required, I certainly did.
If you know people are struggling, band together and reach out to those in need, we had an online group and anyone who was in real financial strife, honestly raise your hand and we can try to assist. I understand it can be an uncomfortable time financially for some, however the reward is worth it in the long run, if you hang on, you will gain the required improvements, but to those who are in real financial difficulty, and for those who are not so much, assist them where required, I certainly did.
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"Know your enemy and know yourself, and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster." ― Sun Tzu, The Art of War
Protected Industrial Action is a valuable tool for workers to assert their demands and seek redress for their concerns. However, to effectively utilize this tool, workers must know their enemy. Understanding employers' perspectives, motivations, and potential countermeasures empowers workers to strategize, negotiate, and mobilize support more effectively. When workers possess this knowledge, they can propose feasible solutions, anticipate challenges, and adapt their tactics to achieve their goals.
So what do we know of our "enemy"? They will shortly have four open EAs to deal with, NAA's being the most topical. One can assume that all parties across four AOCs and Q IR will be watching how this plays out with great interest. How NAA's EA dispute is resolved will set the stage for the subsequent three EA negotiations.
How will the "enemy" respond? Can they afford to capitulate to NAA's pilot's demands and bring more to the table? What message does that send to the participants of the following three EAs up for grabs when negotiations commence?
We can assume that they have "war-gamed" every possible scenario with the help of the best legal and IR minds at their disposal.
If the "enemy" decides to dig their heels in and go down the path of intractable bargaining, how will that affect the pilot group? What is the expected outcome if the dispute ends with the full bench of FWA for arbitration? What has been the "political" history of FWA? Have they favoured business or employee?
Is what's on offer so egregious that it is worth razing the entire "edifice" to the ground, pushing the "enemy" into a corner where this becomes a long, protracted war of attrition? If not, then what is or is not a reasonable and acceptable compromise? If so, can pilots afford continual pay docking if continued PIA becomes the case (hence my previous post)?
NAA pilots have suffered the rough end of the pineapple for many years; hence, the pent-up anger and emotions on display at the moment are entirely understandable. However, this can not cloud objective thinking and rational thought processes when dealing with these difficult questions and times.
I am not proposing one course of action over another; however, I am suggesting that cool heads, clear thinking and careful consideration of all the facts are vital during this time. We must consider all points of view without resorting to name-calling and vilification of anyone who holds a position that may be contrary to ours.
Protected Industrial Action is a valuable tool for workers to assert their demands and seek redress for their concerns. However, to effectively utilize this tool, workers must know their enemy. Understanding employers' perspectives, motivations, and potential countermeasures empowers workers to strategize, negotiate, and mobilize support more effectively. When workers possess this knowledge, they can propose feasible solutions, anticipate challenges, and adapt their tactics to achieve their goals.
So what do we know of our "enemy"? They will shortly have four open EAs to deal with, NAA's being the most topical. One can assume that all parties across four AOCs and Q IR will be watching how this plays out with great interest. How NAA's EA dispute is resolved will set the stage for the subsequent three EA negotiations.
How will the "enemy" respond? Can they afford to capitulate to NAA's pilot's demands and bring more to the table? What message does that send to the participants of the following three EAs up for grabs when negotiations commence?
We can assume that they have "war-gamed" every possible scenario with the help of the best legal and IR minds at their disposal.
If the "enemy" decides to dig their heels in and go down the path of intractable bargaining, how will that affect the pilot group? What is the expected outcome if the dispute ends with the full bench of FWA for arbitration? What has been the "political" history of FWA? Have they favoured business or employee?
Is what's on offer so egregious that it is worth razing the entire "edifice" to the ground, pushing the "enemy" into a corner where this becomes a long, protracted war of attrition? If not, then what is or is not a reasonable and acceptable compromise? If so, can pilots afford continual pay docking if continued PIA becomes the case (hence my previous post)?
NAA pilots have suffered the rough end of the pineapple for many years; hence, the pent-up anger and emotions on display at the moment are entirely understandable. However, this can not cloud objective thinking and rational thought processes when dealing with these difficult questions and times.
I am not proposing one course of action over another; however, I am suggesting that cool heads, clear thinking and careful consideration of all the facts are vital during this time. We must consider all points of view without resorting to name-calling and vilification of anyone who holds a position that may be contrary to ours.
If that EA proposal was given to 'any other' entity, it would be an immediate rejection by all unions without question. The fact it is even considered by some is baffling to me, negatively biased and short term thinking.
It seems to me this battle between Network and Qantas has been a long time coming. Network pilots have some of the highest duty hours and lowest remuneration (below award), clearly unsustainable on the pilots.
Regardless of your union or allegiance it makes sense to give your full support to Network Aviation pilots. If the unthinkable happens, and the pilots lose this fight, then the '20 years to command' Short Haul talk will be lost memory. There will be no Short Haul. We all know Network Aviation will take over the short haul flying in the blink of an eye. The bulk of Qantas will be made up of Network/NJS and Long Haul. For the sake of Australian Aviation, the pilots cannot be permitted to lose this fight and every bit of support need to be thrown their way.
It seems to me this battle between Network and Qantas has been a long time coming. Network pilots have some of the highest duty hours and lowest remuneration (below award), clearly unsustainable on the pilots.
Regardless of your union or allegiance it makes sense to give your full support to Network Aviation pilots. If the unthinkable happens, and the pilots lose this fight, then the '20 years to command' Short Haul talk will be lost memory. There will be no Short Haul. We all know Network Aviation will take over the short haul flying in the blink of an eye. The bulk of Qantas will be made up of Network/NJS and Long Haul. For the sake of Australian Aviation, the pilots cannot be permitted to lose this fight and every bit of support need to be thrown their way.
I hope they get the outcome they are wanting.
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Just listened to an item on ABC RN PM about the strike.
If it is true, as stated earlier in this thread (and I'm not saying it's untrue) that Network pilots are paid 'below the award' (and I'll sort out my WTF giddyspin in contemplating that concept, once I'm comfortably seated), why wasn't that stated as 'FACT 1' by the AFAP rep interviewed? Or was that edited out of the interview?
If it is true, as stated earlier in this thread (and I'm not saying it's untrue) that Network pilots are paid 'below the award' (and I'll sort out my WTF giddyspin in contemplating that concept, once I'm comfortably seated), why wasn't that stated as 'FACT 1' by the AFAP rep interviewed? Or was that edited out of the interview?
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AIPA and the TWU remained at the negotiating table and the result is an improved deal being put to the pilots than was previously being envisaged.
Reads like AIPA believe that the reason the deal was improved is because they remained at the table. Most sane people would understand that the result of an improved deal stems directly from the pilots having the backbone to threaten to withdraw labour. Kind of why they are now proving they have the stones to follow through.
That AIPA remained at the negotiating table while 90% + of the pilots voted overwhelmingly for PIA can only be seen as tacit support for the proposal.
Only Network pilots, who are AFAP members are permitted to engage in this action or any other form of Protected Industrial Action (PIA).
True, as a statement of fact. But given the vast majority of Network pilots voted to participate in PIA why hasn’t AIPA commenced the process to join? Are the Network pilots feeling any level of support from AIPA? There is a saying that actions speak louder than words. AIPA remained at the negotiating table, AIPA are not making any moves to join in on any PIA, AIPA are doing what the company want.
How should pilots read this? Actions of union solidarity or a giant F U?
Message to AIPA – get over your allergic reaction to PIA and get onboard.
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You’d be daft to think that AIPA has any real interest in supporting subsidiary Pilots.
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