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Old 27th Apr 2022, 14:06
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Originally Posted by gordonfvckingramsay
If true, it spells the end of NJS and probably the end of QF shorthaul as a viable career.
Or maybe it’s a necessary change to enable the business to remain competitive and reflects the change in aircraft design and passenger demands (higher frequency and more point to point) compared to when it was first written.

Like I said earlier, perhaps “long haul” or “short haul” is no longer appropriate, rather widebody and narrowbody.

Plenty of Dash 8’s getting around if you don’t like the idea of flights beyond 3hrs.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 01:28
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Or maybe it’s a necessary change to enable the business to remain competitive and reflects the change in aircraft design and passenger demands (higher frequency and more point to point) compared to when it was first written.
Just like CAO48e. It's the FRMS with 2 crew 10-11 hours red eye on a SH award thats the issue.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 02:01
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Originally Posted by ShandywithSugar
Just like CAO48e. It's the FRMS with 2 crew 10-11 hours red eye on a SH award thats the issue.
It is only an "issue" when pilots continually accept it and become apathetic to pulling the pin and reporting the fatigue. It is only in trends and numbers that the message is clear.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 03:21
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Start calling fatigue at out ports and they'll Change it real fast.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 10:53
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Heard from a mate that it’s a two horse race for which operation receives the new buses, if true, who’s it between?
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 12:35
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May be referring to the 220. NJS, and now Network.
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 13:00
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Heard from a mate that it’s a two horse race for which operation receives the new buses, if true, who’s it between?
Can confirm that there’s a lot of excited chatter amongst some newly minted Airbus crews as they wing their way out over the red dust.

With competitive rates on offer and a large order of shiny new jets, Paraburdoo, Pannawonica and Port Hedland won’t be the only destinations served by Network.

Word is that 50 plus aircraft are on their way and the new centre for Qantas domestic will be where the rain don’t fall…

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Old 28th Apr 2022, 22:54
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Originally Posted by cloudsurfng
May be referring to the 220. NJS, and now Network.
believe it was both the 32x and 220s
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Old 28th Apr 2022, 23:18
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Originally Posted by TimmyTee
believe it was both the 32x and 220s
The company and Union have reached an in principle deal for the A321 for mainline, so no. NJS pilots via their union have failed to reach an in principle deal for the A220 operation however.

NA pilots have been spreading rumours they’ve been on the cusp on getting 50 jets forever. If they did get the contract for the A220 it would involve them setting up an operation for an entirely new aircraft primarily flying in entirely new areas (the east coast) and they still have the issue of their airline being a revolving door for crew. Flights canceled daily due lack of crew and heaps of others wanting out.

The other option for the A220 could be Alliance, but as other threads have shown they are a bit of a revolving door for crew too.

The board met yesterday regarding the firm orders of the aircraft, the path for then A321 is more set in stone than the A220 it seems.
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 02:11
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Apparently AFAP has stated that there has been a statement of giving the A220 to NA as NJS pilots couldn’t make a deal with the company.

Now AFAP has surveying members to see if they just want to vote on any deal the company propose rather than have their jobs outsourced, which was a change from their original position of “no deal unless we negotiate it”. So the proposal of potentially outsourcing looks like it will push the pilot group to vote to keep their jobs in this case.

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Old 29th Apr 2022, 05:56
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Originally Posted by dr dre
rather than have their jobs outsourced.
hahahahahahahah…. They are the outsourcing mob
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 06:50
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Word is that 50 plus aircraft are on their way and the new centre for Qantas domestic will be where the rain don’t fall…
Would make no sense. Aircraft are based where they can make money. Unless you are VB.

DrDre, I believe that QF have no intention of buying A220 aircraft, let’s see.
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 07:13
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001

DrDre, I believe that QF have no intention of buying A220 aircraft, let’s see.
Well they need to replace the 717, and the A220 gives them capability in the low hundreds seat range. Otherwise there's a big gap between the 94 seat E190 and the 200 plus seat A321XLR.
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 08:07
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Not all E jets are 94 seats. B717 is 125 seats?
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Old 29th Apr 2022, 21:54
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Hey Dr, the 220 I had look in was in the order of 150 ish seats but who cares, as Icarus says they ain’t getting them, this is all just a ruse.
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Old 30th Apr 2022, 23:30
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I don't know that it's all a ruse.
Rumours around last week was there was a senior Airbus executive paxing around on QF, Introducing himself to the crews.
Looks like Projest sunrise to be announced tomorrow with an order of 6 A350's and there is an air baltic A220 in Sydney.
Coincidence?
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Old 1st May 2022, 00:12
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms
I don't know that it's all a ruse.
Rumours around last week was there was a senior Airbus executive paxing around on QF, Introducing himself to the crews.
Looks like Projest sunrise to be announced tomorrow with an order of 6 A350's and there is an air baltic A220 in Sydney.
Coincidence?
And the A350-1000 demo aircraft with Qantas decals is inbound to Australia as we speak.
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Old 1st May 2022, 00:47
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A350 not in doubt but the 220? They won’t spend the $$$.
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Old 1st May 2022, 01:09
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Dr Dre, I believe that QF have no intention of buying A220 aircraft, let’s see.
This comment has aged well…..and so quickly!
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Old 1st May 2022, 04:56
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This comment has aged well…..and so quickly
Have they placed an order?
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