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Not entirely. The lack of an in principle agreement means QF are threatening to withdraw the right to vote. The A220 will be gifted to some other entity where the NJS pilots will be allowed to beg for a job.
Of course a simple yes vote to further (severely) reduced conditions and it could all go away and they would all keep their positions.
Of course a simple yes vote to further (severely) reduced conditions and it could all go away and they would all keep their positions.
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Well in that case, I am probably wrong. Happens every day. Not to say that the order for twenty A220s gets converted into a different type, like more A321s.
Qantas has announced a few things that never happened…Red Q, Jetstar HongKong, Jetstar Vietnam…
Best of luck to all at Qantas with the new types, it is great to see some positive developments in aviation after the last two years.
Qantas has announced a few things that never happened…Red Q, Jetstar HongKong, Jetstar Vietnam…
Best of luck to all at Qantas with the new types, it is great to see some positive developments in aviation after the last two years.
Well in that case, I am probably wrong. Happens every day. Not to say that the order for twenty A220s gets converted into a different type, like more A321s.
Qantas has announced a few things that never happened…Red Q, Jetstar HongKong, Jetstar Vietnam…
Best of luck to all at Qantas with the new types, it is great to see some positive developments in aviation after the last two years.
Qantas has announced a few things that never happened…Red Q, Jetstar HongKong, Jetstar Vietnam…
Best of luck to all at Qantas with the new types, it is great to see some positive developments in aviation after the last two years.
I believe so. We have all seen the lengths which will be taken to destroy unions, despite the cost. It’s all about busting the workers rights paradigm.
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Bain has approached Network to combine their 320s with VARA and sold off as a package to Spirit to train their soon to be introduced cadets to get around the FAA 1500hr rule. VARAs Fokkers replaced with -700s in an attempt a B scale. Networks Fokkers slowly dissipate to be replaced initially by 737s and eventually NJS 220s.
U are 100% spot on there & as i have said before there have been many ideas shared between Joyce & his ol mate Willie Walsh.
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It appears AIPA, in their haste, have fvcked up by agreeing to an in-principle shit sandwich without asking for details beforehand. Having effectively thrown NJS pilots to the wolves by “beating” them to this in-principle agreement, they are now reconsidering new information.
“As our members are aware, the Committee of Management (CoM) met today to discuss the proposed in-principle agreement that our Project Winton negotiating team reached with their Qantas counterparts early last week. It included a presentation from our negotiating team on the deal and answered questions pertaining to the in-principle agreement.
CoM debated the issue throughout the afternoon. At 4.15pm, new information came to light which potentially had material impact on the motions that were being considered. Given the meeting had entered its seventh hour, it was determined to adjourn the debate and proposed motions until the scheduled May CoM meeting next Tuesday, May 10.
We will provide an update on the Project Winton discussions following the meeting next week.”
NJS pilots approached AIPA when NJS were purchased by QF asking to be able to join. AIPA dragged their feet somewhat citing the complexities of allowing another business unit to join (not the case with Network), and now it appears we know why. Never would I suggest that it is the case, but a cynic could be forgiven for thinking there was some link between QF industrial relations and current or former AIPA reps.
“As our members are aware, the Committee of Management (CoM) met today to discuss the proposed in-principle agreement that our Project Winton negotiating team reached with their Qantas counterparts early last week. It included a presentation from our negotiating team on the deal and answered questions pertaining to the in-principle agreement.
CoM debated the issue throughout the afternoon. At 4.15pm, new information came to light which potentially had material impact on the motions that were being considered. Given the meeting had entered its seventh hour, it was determined to adjourn the debate and proposed motions until the scheduled May CoM meeting next Tuesday, May 10.
We will provide an update on the Project Winton discussions following the meeting next week.”
NJS pilots approached AIPA when NJS were purchased by QF asking to be able to join. AIPA dragged their feet somewhat citing the complexities of allowing another business unit to join (not the case with Network), and now it appears we know why. Never would I suggest that it is the case, but a cynic could be forgiven for thinking there was some link between QF industrial relations and current or former AIPA reps.
It appears AIPA, in their haste, have fvcked up by agreeing to an in-principle shit sandwich without asking for details beforehand. Having effectively thrown NJS pilots to the wolves by “beating” them to this in-principle agreement, they are now reconsidering new information.
“As our members are aware, the Committee of Management (CoM) met today to discuss the proposed in-principle agreement that our Project Winton negotiating team reached with their Qantas counterparts early last week. It included a presentation from our negotiating team on the deal and answered questions pertaining to the in-principle agreement.
CoM debated the issue throughout the afternoon. At 4.15pm, new information came to light which potentially had material impact on the motions that were being considered. Given the meeting had entered its seventh hour, it was determined to adjourn the debate and proposed motions until the scheduled May CoM meeting next Tuesday, May 10.
We will provide an update on the Project Winton discussions following the meeting next week.”
NJS pilots approached AIPA when NJS were purchased by QF asking to be able to join. AIPA dragged their feet somewhat citing the complexities of allowing another business unit to join (not the case with Network), and now it appears we know why. Never would I suggest that it is the case, but a cynic could be forgiven for thinking there was some link between QF industrial relations and current or former AIPA reps.
“As our members are aware, the Committee of Management (CoM) met today to discuss the proposed in-principle agreement that our Project Winton negotiating team reached with their Qantas counterparts early last week. It included a presentation from our negotiating team on the deal and answered questions pertaining to the in-principle agreement.
CoM debated the issue throughout the afternoon. At 4.15pm, new information came to light which potentially had material impact on the motions that were being considered. Given the meeting had entered its seventh hour, it was determined to adjourn the debate and proposed motions until the scheduled May CoM meeting next Tuesday, May 10.
We will provide an update on the Project Winton discussions following the meeting next week.”
NJS pilots approached AIPA when NJS were purchased by QF asking to be able to join. AIPA dragged their feet somewhat citing the complexities of allowing another business unit to join (not the case with Network), and now it appears we know why. Never would I suggest that it is the case, but a cynic could be forgiven for thinking there was some link between QF industrial relations and current or former AIPA reps.
It appears AIPA, in their haste, have fvcked up by agreeing to an in-principle shit sandwich without asking for details beforehand. Having effectively thrown NJS pilots to the wolves by “beating” them to this in-principle agreement, they are now reconsidering new information.
What garbage. NJS pilots are negotiating to fly the A220 (717 replacement) whilst AIPA are negotiating to fly the A321 (737 replacement). The company is not offering the other aircraft to the other pilots so there is no interaction between one set of negotiators reaching an agreement and the others not being able to.
