QF Short Haul EBA
Having spent a fair amount of time in and around the Qantas IR department I can assure you the individual unions are pretty powerless. They have an entire floor of strategists who have planned how too play one off against the other and what timeframes they are willing to settle each group to maximise the pressure on the rest. Qantas already knows by whom and how these aircraft will be operated and what time they will be introduced. The negotiations are just window dressing.
Haha Ollie, you’re hilarious. First you know someone in JC heading up the 321 project, now you know the IR department and their ‘floor of strategists’. Just stop…you’re giving me stitches…it’s too much for a Sunday.
it’s actually not enjoyable though. As a regular line pilot, it’s bloody stressful. At what point can/will regulators intervene to ensure good faith bargaining? What happens in May when we have a Labor government? Will employees ever be empowered again to negotiate or will we allow QF to employ mafia shakedown tactics til our retirement.
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it’s actually not enjoyable though. As a regular line pilot, it’s bloody stressful. At what point can/will regulators intervene to ensure good faith bargaining?
it’s actually not enjoyable though. As a regular line pilot, it’s bloody stressful. At what point can/will regulators intervene to ensure good faith bargaining?
You’ll eventually have to do as I did to maintain your sanity, leave. Start looking to where your next adventure will be and start preparing for it.
Not my fault I am so well connected :-). Believe it or not, just passing on information.
In my opinion your desire for a strong unbiased regulator looking at safety risks won’t happen. I approached the regulator during a particular period of very stressful IR disharmony. I presented their own research and words with evidence linking their words to the companies words/actions. Best I can say is they heard what I said, read what I presented, then went to lunch leaving me with the words “it’s an IR issue not safety”. A more realistic view is they just didn’t care.
You’ll eventually have to do as I did to maintain your sanity, leave. Start looking to where your next adventure will be and start preparing for it.
You’ll eventually have to do as I did to maintain your sanity, leave. Start looking to where your next adventure will be and start preparing for it.
According to the Townsville Refueller the 220s will still go to NJS, with Network being kept around only long enough to be a legitimate threat to ensure a deal largely in the company’s favour.
Bain has approached Network to combine their 320s with VARA and sold off as a package to Spirit to train their soon to be introduced cadets to get around the FAA 1500hr rule. VARAs Fokkers replaced with -700s in an attempt a B scale. Networks Fokkers slowly dissipate to be replaced initially by 737s and eventually NJS 220s.
Bain has approached Network to combine their 320s with VARA and sold off as a package to Spirit to train their soon to be introduced cadets to get around the FAA 1500hr rule. VARAs Fokkers replaced with -700s in an attempt a B scale. Networks Fokkers slowly dissipate to be replaced initially by 737s and eventually NJS 220s.
In my opinion your desire for a strong unbiased regulator looking at safety risks won’t happen. I approached the regulator during a particular period of very stressful IR disharmony. I presented their own research and words with evidence linking their words to the companies words/actions. Best I can say is they heard what I said, read what I presented, then went to lunch leaving me with the words “it’s an IR issue not safety”. A more realistic view is they just didn’t care.
You’ll eventually have to do as I did to maintain your sanity, leave. Start looking to where your next adventure will be and start preparing for it.
You’ll eventually have to do as I did to maintain your sanity, leave. Start looking to where your next adventure will be and start preparing for it.
The regulator will not touch IR issues.
If I recall correctly REX lobbied the Government over the first iteration of the FRMS which according to them would have caused problems for their operation. So CASA kindly went all out to accommodated them and ignored their own research. So if CASA think they are not involved in IR matters they are delusional.
Where do CASA stand if they are made aware of a looming safety problem and then fail to act? Is “we don’t dabble in that type of safety issue” really a valid defence? Would that stand up to legal scrutiny? I thought knowledge of a threat to life, and failure to act on that knowledge would present a problem at every hurdle if you were fronting a coronial inquiry.
Where do CASA stand if they are made aware of a looming safety problem and then fail to act? Is “we don’t dabble in that type of safety issue” really a valid defence? Would that stand up to legal scrutiny? I thought knowledge of a threat to life, and failure to act on that knowledge would present a problem at every hurdle if you were fronting a coronial inquiry.
I want to know where a safety problem occurs with an industrial issue?
if an incident occurs due to industrial problems creating stresses on an individual, that problem lands in the lap of the individual.
Mental health has become a major issue with all regulators, the regulator will target the individual not the business. Blurring the line between safety and industrial is a long bow to draw.
I have been involved with airlines where individuals knew they were shortly to be unemployed, yet the airline continued to its demise. Should CASA have grounded them before this?
The Australian airline industry has become so insular to global events thanks to government bailouts, it’s time to wake up.
Joyce said QF was screwed if it wasn’t for a bailout.
Yet. As soon as they start seeing cash flow again, they go out and acquire more leverage for the next downturn. An operation that was doing ok in the niche. Now proposed to be swallowed by this corporate animal.
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NJS Pilots received a 0% increase to fly an aircraft 30% bigger less than 18 months ago, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
NAA Pilots have voted no 3 times now and have received no increase to what is effectively the award rate, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
Do you think Qantas management considers 737 Pilots to be more important and thus deserve a significant pay rise? I’ll be assuming they come to the table with absolutely nothing and threaten to outsource.
NAA Pilots have voted no 3 times now and have received no increase to what is effectively the award rate, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
Do you think Qantas management considers 737 Pilots to be more important and thus deserve a significant pay rise? I’ll be assuming they come to the table with absolutely nothing and threaten to outsource.
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NJS Pilots received a 0% increase to fly an aircraft 30% bigger less than 18 months ago, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
NAA Pilots have voted no 3 times now and have received no increase to what is effectively the award rate, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
Do you think Qantas management considers 737 Pilots to be more important and thus deserve a significant pay rise? I’ll be assuming they come to the table with absolutely nothing and threaten to outsource.
NAA Pilots have voted no 3 times now and have received no increase to what is effectively the award rate, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
Do you think Qantas management considers 737 Pilots to be more important and thus deserve a significant pay rise? I’ll be assuming they come to the table with absolutely nothing and threaten to outsource.
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NJS Pilots received a 0% increase to fly an aircraft 30% bigger less than 18 months ago, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
NAA Pilots have voted no 3 times now and have received no increase to what is effectively the award rate, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
Do you think Qantas management considers 737 Pilots to be more important and thus deserve a significant pay rise? I’ll be assuming they come to the table with absolutely nothing and threaten to outsource.
NAA Pilots have voted no 3 times now and have received no increase to what is effectively the award rate, why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
Do you think Qantas management considers 737 Pilots to be more important and thus deserve a significant pay rise? I’ll be assuming they come to the table with absolutely nothing and threaten to outsource.
The point is, we should all be going hard for increases of this magnitude or more.
why do you think Qantas will offer more to you?
I am not in SH but will be strongly supporting every pilot group that negotiates over the next 12 months because I feel like we’re at either a negative or positive turning point and it could go either way.
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QF can threaten to outsource all they want. Or Start QF rainbow or whatever they come up with. The difference being, this time it's a rather hollow threat. Where are they going to get crew??! NJS, alliance, network etc can barely crew the flights they have now.
I'd say for once ,QF SH are in a strong position. It's also not Just about $$. It MUST come with lifestyle change. I'm clearly not the only one that thinks so. Maybe it's a generational thing... JQ can shove their 4 sector, 12 hour days and 80+ hour months no matter what they pay me. I hope QF go hard.
I'd say for once ,QF SH are in a strong position. It's also not Just about $$. It MUST come with lifestyle change. I'm clearly not the only one that thinks so. Maybe it's a generational thing... JQ can shove their 4 sector, 12 hour days and 80+ hour months no matter what they pay me. I hope QF go hard.
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