QF Short Haul EBA
There are options for a 321XLR pilot rest, basically a curtained off business seat
Maybe it’s time to stop calling them short or long haul EBA’s as well. Widebody and narrowbody might be more appropriate.
So it was a 3 crew operation then? I wonder if HK is just close enough for them to squeeze out a 2 pilot crew for the return flight, and anything further north requires a 3rd pilot.
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What a naive comment.
Airlines will decide which aircraft and when and what routes they will operate.
Whether they get it right will depend on the success meaning profitability of the route.
Pilots are the participants.
Plenty of full service carriers worldwide are moving to the 321XLR. American, United, Air Canada and Aer Lingus all getting the XLR to do transatlantic back of the clocks east coast USA to Europe on thinner routes.
And narrowbody long haul might be new to Australia but not to the rest of the world. The 757 had been doing lots of transatlantic flights through it’s history, and the 321XLR is basically the narrowbody replacement for the 757.
Just because pilots think they should be flying widebodies internationally doesn’t mean that’s what will happen.
Longer, international sectors, particularly to the Asian ports to the north that involve back of clock returns, are not crewed by a third pilot for the sector itself. It is for operational integrity.
A simple diversion blows the duty. No longer one sector but two. So FRMS dictates crewing makeup.
A simple diversion blows the duty. No longer one sector but two. So FRMS dictates crewing makeup.
Longer, international sectors, particularly to the Asian ports to the north that involve back of clock returns, are not crewed by a third pilot for the sector itself. It is for operational integrity.
A simple diversion blows the duty. No longer one sector but two. So FRMS dictates crewing makeup.
A simple diversion blows the duty. No longer one sector but two. So FRMS dictates crewing makeup.
Well if you’re referring to the 707, not sure it would be considered ‘long haul’……. Not by today’s standards anyway
When you're talking about our beloved B707 you need to keep well in mind that the automatics were ****e - 1950s technology. The cabin environment like air con left much to be desired. Then we remember the number of sectors flown between SYD and LHR. My PB was 11 landings in 3 tours of duty SYD-HKG-THR-LHR. The trip back was a repeat. Ah the Good Old Days!!
I call it long haul. No set it and forget it, T/O today and descending tomorrow matey. Overwater nav courtesy of a N/O and overland by NDB and VOR. There was plenty to do managing the old girl too.
I call it long haul. No set it and forget it, T/O today and descending tomorrow matey. Overwater nav courtesy of a N/O and overland by NDB and VOR. There was plenty to do managing the old girl too.
FRMS can give more control to pilots, so if consistent reports show a duty is fatiguing, that would have been legal under the CAOs, then there’s more structure for that duty to not be rostered.
If anyone thought the aircraft would be operated under the LH EBA that was never going to happen.