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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 09:49
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Bring on opening up at 80% vaccination.
Lot of this loopy stuff will go away when the unvaccinated are left to fend for themselves.
Self limiting…….
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 10:00
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Originally Posted by kingRB
Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.

How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little shit that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bullshit.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.

You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
Haha, this is great.

Imagine being so stupid as to parade around declaring that 'seat belts are a Government conspiracy to take our liberty!'. Then, when you predictively have a minor accident resulting in major injuries, demanding to be given the same priority as other, non idiot people who need care for injuries/ailments. Ailments there were not absolutely preventable. "Segregationist bigotry!" you'd cry! "How dare I not be allowed to clog the health system with my idiocy."

People in the US are dying because of a lack of ICU capacity, due in significant part from moron anti vaxxers who are now in ICU.

If you reject the vaccine because facebook told you its bad, then end up needing ICU because of your idiotic decision, there will come a time when you're rolled onto the street and left to die, because care should be reserved for those who care for themselves. Absolutely no different to being on the organ donor list. Smoke? Drink? Bad luck, you're bumped off the list for someone who doesn't. You going to cry 'segregationist bigotry' there too? Those evil doctors aren't letting liver transplant applicants drink a bottle of red a day!? Who are they to take my freedoms!

www.sorryantivaxxer.com is filled, and I mean filled with examples of your thinking. All of them are dead, most leave behind young children. Hundreds of thousands of them.

Enjoy Nov 15 kiddo.






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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 10:11
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Look on the bright side das.
You are going to move a few numbers on the seniority list when we open up and let the virus take its normal course.
Its quite extraordinary that so many cant imagine what its like to be on a ventilator..
Hopefully the riots in Melbourne will be a super-spreader event.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 10:17
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Originally Posted by kingRB
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.
Ok. Someone who, through their own personal choices be they based on fear, misinformation or whatever, has elected to endanger their own health, and the health of those around them, while costing the taxpaying public money unnecessarily through higher healthcare costs and reduced taxation revenue due to lockdowns, and damaging or destroying private businesses, should be treated differently. If you choose to take meth and commit crimes, we treat you differently. The concept of police and crimes and jail is surely not a new one to people. If you abuse alcohol for whatever reason, and try to drive, we treat you differently. If you choose to undermine public health measures in the middle of a once-in-a-century pandemic, guess what...we treat you differently.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 11:30
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Unvaccinated accept they won’t be able to travel , go into a restaurant or attend sports events but they draw the line at not being allowed to attend a hospital ?
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 12:23
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Originally Posted by kingRB
Pretty sure I won't end up in the ED, the hospital, or the ICU for Covid - ever. So nah.
I'd say you've been on the Covid fear porn too long - but that's being too generous.
No one here cares about you.

No one cares if you end up in hospital from Covid or not.

No one cares if your vaccinated or not.

People will care if you do end up in the ED from Covid and are not vaccinated. You will be the butt of all the jokes in the nurses lunch room. They will apologise to the real patients and say we’ve been dealing with this unvaccinated muppet all day.

Man up and simply stay away from the hospitals if you get sick.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 23:00
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Originally Posted by Torukmacto
Unvaccinated accept they won’t be able to travel , go into a restaurant or attend sports events but they draw the line at not being allowed to attend a hospital ?
Because deep down, they know they could actually die if they contract it……….
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 09:51
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The fear exhibited here in these posts is amazing, does make for entertaining reading though -)
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 10:56
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Mach, I don't understand, you don't have to get a vaccine so what is the problem. You do you and be comfortable with your decision, respect those who want to get vaccinated. Either side is not going to convince the other that they are right or wrong, if you are not happy with mandates etc then you are just out of luck, the majority is speaking and your choice is something you have to reconcile. I am more than happy for people who don't want the vaccines to be removed from the aviation industry, who needs them? I remember one of my core law courses, it was titled 'Rights and Responsibilities, it would seem you want the rights but are not willing to provide any of the responsibilities expected as part of a functioning society, that is your choice now off into the sunset you go.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 11:15
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
Mach, I don't understand, you don't have to get a vaccine so what is the problem. You do you and be comfortable with your decision, respect those who want to get vaccinated. Either side is not going to convince the other that they are right or wrong, if you are not happy with mandates etc then you are just out of luck, the majority is speaking and your choice is something you have to reconcile. I am more than happy for people who don't want the vaccines to be removed from the aviation industry, who needs them? I remember one of my core law courses, it was titled 'Rights and Responsibilities, it would seem you want the rights but are not willing to provide any of the responsibilities expected as part of a functioning society, that is your choice now off into the sunset you go.
You are confusing responsibilities with obeying to questionable medical diktat without any real long-term supporting safety data. That's not responsibility, that's irresponsibility. I do truly prey it works out for you and for others who are in the same camp, but don't call it being responsible and call it for what it is - "gambling with your life to please the bosses so that the paycheck doesn't stop".
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 11:40
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Originally Posted by skygeek
You are confusing responsibilities with obeying to questionable medical diktat without any real long-term supporting safety data. That's not responsibility, that's irresponsibility. I do truly prey it works out for you and for others who are in the same camp, but don't call it being responsible and call it for what it is - "gambling with your life to please the bosses so that the paycheck doesn't stop".
where you are wrong is that I had the vaccine long before the Qantas mandate, why…… because all the research and trials show the vaccines to be safe and effective. You may feel differently about that as no doubt you have ‘done your own research’ but at the end of the day rights are freedoms we have that are protected by our laws, while responsibilities are duties or things that we should do, In order to be good citizens. The majority know that our exit from this pandemic relies on a reasonable level of vaccine uptake and we understand that this is collective effort of those that are good citizens.

As I have stated time and time again, it is your choice to not partake in this collective effort but don’t get worked up at some of your freedoms being taken away, if you don’t contribute to the solution you shouldn’t get the full benefits of freedoms the rest of us gain back. I know that it is highly unlikely that I will die from COVID even if I get it but I also know me being vaccinated helps ensure those who can’t be vaccinated will have the best possible chance of not getting Covid whilst also helping to ensure our health system retains capacity to deal with other issues. The latest reports in the British Medicinal Journal show that of the 50,000 ish deaths in the first half of this year only 0.5% were people who were FULLY vaccinated, to me this is very positive as the majority of deaths will come from the unvaccinated which solves two problems at once, removes antivaxxers from society and lifts the overall vaccine rate :-). Good luck.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 12:12
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion
this is very positive as the majority of deaths will come from the unvaccinated which solves two problems at once, removes antivaxxers from society and lifts the overall vaccine rate …
and raises the nation’s average IQ!
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 21:44
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Hey machtuk, unaware of where/who you currently work for…but if you’re in QF/JQ/VA/REX where do you plan on working once you’ve been terminated?
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 21:58
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Originally Posted by skygeek
You are confusing responsibilities with obeying to questionable medical diktat without any real long-term supporting safety data. That's not responsibility, that's irresponsibility. I do truly prey it works out for you and for others who are in the same camp, but don't call it being responsible and call it for what it is - "gambling with your life to please the bosses so that the paycheck doesn't stop".
Where does the gamble of getting and dying from Covid fit in to your thinking? It's approaching 700 000 deaths in the US, 92% if those now dying being unvaccinated.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 22:33
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Sotrovimab has been approved for use in people older than 12.

Trial had zero deaths and zero ICU patients - Trial was on high risk persons.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 22:38
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Originally Posted by Bend alot
Sotrovimab has been approved for use in people older than 12.

Trial had zero deaths and zero ICU patients - Trial was on high risk persons.
It's cdertainly turning out to be a very effective treatment- but you only need treatment if you get sick in the first place!
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 22:54
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Correct but due to numbers more vaccinated are getting into that category particularly the high risk persons.

I wonder if this treatment is more or less effective depending on vaccination status? - serious thought - as one is mimicking the spike proteins the other is trying to smother.
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Old 23rd Sep 2021, 23:25
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Watching the "Project" last night and they had a clip of film where some one had urinated on the Shrine, so they said, the film then switched to a very brief look at a pile of some thing on the Shrine with out stating what it was, to me it looked very much as though some one had defecated. I mean, really? You're a real bunch of nutters in desecrating a memorial to all those who served, and to those who gave all in the process, you have no place in society, I'm being as polite as possible.
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 00:07
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Reading on Twitter this morning they threatening to vandalise the Shrine today . They are obviously a small group of right wing extremists , hijacking the anti vaxer , union movement for their own reasons . Paid to bring anarchy to the streets ?
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Old 24th Sep 2021, 00:10
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Originally Posted by Bend alot
Correct but due to numbers more vaccinated are getting into that category particularly the high risk persons.

I wonder if this treatment is more or less effective depending on vaccination status? - serious thought - as one is mimicking the spike proteins the other is trying to smother.
Either way Sotrovimab is a monoclonal antibody. It essentially does the same thing as a vaccine, prepares and aids your immune system to fight.

What’s got me confused is why all the anti-vaxxers are opposed to the vaccine, yet love these treatments that have the same characteristics as the vaccine, they were approved under emergency use, limited testing, manufactured by “big pharma”, have a risk of side effects.

All rational people would prefer to use a product to stop them acquiring a health condition, rather than get the health condition and then become so sick they need specialised treatment to combat that condition.
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