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Old 10th Sep 2021, 03:57
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
Major studies are being conducted now, (I think Oxford is one) which in the preliminary stages are showing promising results. It may end up proving to be a winner, or it may not.
The current Oxford trial has not produced any results, preliminary or final, so no idea if Ivermectin looks "promising".

Last study showing Ivermectin was useful was withdrawn due to basically being fraudulent.

Most of the "cures" are only treatments looking at mild to moderate Covid disease, not any that are really stopping severe disease. People trying to use Ivermectin to treat severe disease as an alternative to being vaccinated generally have the same outcome.

The confusing thing is a lot of these "miracle" treatments these conspiracy theorists tout share similar traits to the vaccines that those same people hate. They were approved under Emergency Use Authorization, they are manufactured by "big pharma", they were developed and trialed in a short period of time, they have significant side effects, some use mRNA technology.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 04:04
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Exactly dr dre. They scream and yell about the vaccine, but are quite happy to take drugs designed for animals. F#$king imbeciles
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 04:49
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There's also a forum on the discussion site Reddit showing people who were adamantly anti-vaccine, anti-mask or Covid deniers who have come down with a serious case of Covid and either regretting their previous stances or denying their reality and succumbing to it. Given their social media posts it's pretty obvious they are all from one side of politics:

The Herman Cain Award
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 06:08
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Originally Posted by dr dre
The current Oxford trial has not produced any results, preliminary or final, so no idea if Ivermectin looks "promising".

Last study showing Ivermectin was useful was withdrawn due to basically being fraudulent.

Most of the "cures" are only treatments looking at mild to moderate Covid disease, not any that are really stopping severe disease. People trying to use Ivermectin to treat severe disease as an alternative to being vaccinated generally have the same outcome.

The confusing thing is a lot of these "miracle" treatments these conspiracy theorists tout share similar traits to the vaccines that those same people hate. They were approved under Emergency Use Authorization, they are manufactured by "big pharma", they were developed and trialed in a short period of time, they have significant side effects, some use mRNA technology.
I've been reading these threads for some time. This is just pure misinformation. The whole point of treatments such as Ivermectin is that they are administered at the beginning of one's covid infection, to PREVENT severe covid from developing. Posting a single discredited study out of dozens that demonstrate significant efficacy does not build a case against said treatment.

For those posters asserting that Ivermectin is a drug designed for animals - again, completely false. This is a HUMAN anti-parisitic drug that's been safely used for decades over billions of doses.

People are entitled to ask questions without being howled down by posters regurgitating complete and utter media-driven falsehoods. If a vaccine can be developed in 6 months, then it is reasonable to examine the available data that demonstrates promising signs that certain treatments are worthy of further exploration.

Leaky vaccines that neither demonstrably stop one from contracting covid nor spreading it are not the silver bullet to halt this virus.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 06:30
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Originally Posted by Fatguyinalittlecoat
Exactly dr dre. They scream and yell about the vaccine, but are quite happy to take drugs designed for animals. F#$king imbeciles
Look I think they pretty dumb using an anti parasitic for a viral disease. But also try and be correct, ivermectin was designed for human use, its one of the wonder drugs of our generation and creator won a noble prize for it. Ivermectin is currently registered on the TGA for human use. The real issue is massive does they are taking, heard of people taking the dosages that are recommended for horses daily. I think the TGA should allow it to be prescibed in correct does to anyone who wants it as a preventative on the condition that the they must also be vaccinated. Maybe that might encourage some of the wackos to get vacinated that otherwise wouldn't

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Old 10th Sep 2021, 06:39
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Originally Posted by AerialPerspective
The essence of what annoys me here is that, yes, the process for assessing vaccines has been compressed (no steps skipped, no corners cut, just a stick behind the arse of organizations and departments to accelerate the process)....... BUT, do people really think that anyone who was exposed to cow pox NEVER contracted or had smallpox virus enter their bodies, that those vaccinated against smallpox NEVER were exposed to the disease. As a child I was vaccinated against Poliomyelitis and I traveled all over the world, undoubtedly being exposed to molecules of polio at some stage but I didn't get sick because I WAS VACCINATED.

People going on and on, based on some BS internet sourced moron who if they look a little further than the end of their collective noses, will find has been discredited completely, that "if you're vaccinated, you can still 'catch' Covid19....... YEH, if you're vaccinated against smallpox you can still 'catch' smallpox, the difference is you don't know you have because it does NOTHING.

Ask Bill Maher, he was completely vaccinated, then tested positive for C19, guess what??????? He isolated for 14 days but experienced ZERO symptoms and ZERO damage, etc. to his body. Why???? Because the vaccine ensured his body had immunity.

No one has ever questioned this before until the era of the 'Uber-MORON' Trump, et al who think they know more than people who have spent their entire lives studying immunology - Why???? "Because my Uncle Cletus found a possum trapper on the internet who graduated the Twin Banjos School of Shootin' an' Prayin' who said otherwise.

I AM joking but maybe just open all the Churches and Conspiracy HQ's and let them mingle and meet without masks as often as they like. In the long run it will solve the problem, as society is rid of the moron class who think they know better than experts - like flat-Earthers who promote whack-job BS to support their 'beliefs' (beliefs are not facts) and yet STILL manage to put on their website for their conference in London a couple of years ago "Flat Earthers are not a fringe, they come from all over the GLOBE".

Pardon me, but isn't that akin to the celebrated sign at a 'Tea Party' rally some years ago that proclaimed "Get you Government Hands off my Medicare......."

I'm all for accepting everyone's views and being tolerant but does society really have to slow down to contemplate the 'opinions' of MORONS and stunning examples of intellectual incapacity???????

And there you have it folks , get vaccinated and you will never know you have caught Covid or small pox ....
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Originally Posted by ersa
And there you have it folks , get vaccinated and you will never know you have caught Covid or small pox ....
You may know, but your chances of being asymtomayic or have mild symtoms DO increase dramaytocally- what's yor point?
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 07:09
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz
You may know, but your chances of being asymtomayic or have mild symtoms DO increase dramaytocally- what's yor point?
My point , there are arm chair specialist everywhere , the crap I have read in this posting , is unbelievable .

No wonder people are confused
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 07:15
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I think the TGA should allow it to be prescibed in correct does to anyone who wants it as a preventative on the condition that the they must also be vaccinated. Maybe that might encourage some of the wackos to get vacinated that otherwise wouldn't
You have to be joking though, allowing prescription of a drug that has had no completed studies for Covid as a medication for Covid. It is allowed in humans for treatment for worms and parasites, those drugs will also contain other additives specific to that treatment. Hence saying something has ivermectin in it in doses that might not be harmful if you double it, but what else is in that medication.

BTW check this out especially the side effects of it, especially in regards to pregnancy it did show risks in animals and was never tested on pregnant humans.

https://www.rxlist.com/consumer_stro...-condition.htm
https://www.nps.org.au/assets/medici...f3-reduced.pdf

Doctors have been adamant that covid vaccines have no effect on pregnancy or breastfeeding, as the don't have anything to do with the reproductive system.

As has been repeated, Ivermectin is a safe and fit drug for it's prescribed purpose, applying it outside of that is going to cause issues without proper testing.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 08:35
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I am comforted by the knowledge that the antivax ideology is self limiting.
Darwinian evolution in action!
Really , really tired of all this drivel.
Vaccination is the one , the only way , out.
Biden today was spot on.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 10:14
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Originally Posted by rattman
Look I think they (sic) pretty dumb using an anti parasitic for a viral disease.
It's also now found to be effective on Yellow Fever and they're testing it on HIV-1, dengue virus (DENV), Zika virus, West Nile virus, Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, Chikungunya virus, Pseudorabies virus, adenovirus, and......... SARS-CoV-2. Phase III human clinical trials have been completed for DENV, with >50 trials currently in progress worldwide for SARS-CoV-2.

Do you lot want the link? Probably not.

Wikipedia can help with a quick post but maybe we should all "trust the experts on medical issues", as others here are frothing about.

I guess the real problem with Ivermectin is it's practically free whereas these "vaccines" cost money. Makes you think, doesn't it? Well, maybe not some of you lot.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 10:30
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And here we have it:

The rattman, who has a propensity to accuse anyone who disagrees with his argument as being "dumb" and 43Inches who asserts, on the basis of data, that the rattman must be joking.

The rattman:
I think the TGA should allow it to be prescibed in correct does to anyone who wants it as a preventative on the condition that the they must also be vaccinated. Maybe that might encourage some of the wackos to get vacinated that otherwise wouldn't [time to correct the numerous typos in that post, rattman, lest you be accused of having consumed too many post-sailing G&Ts]
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You have to be joking though, allowing prescription of a drug that has had no completed studies for Covid as a medication for Covid.
Playing right into the hands of conspiracy theorists.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 11:20
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Originally Posted by Muttley Crew
I guess the real problem with Ivermectin is it's practically free whereas these "vaccines" cost money. Makes you think, doesn't it? Well, maybe not some of you lot.
No, the real problem with Ivermectin is that even Merck, the company that makes the stuff, says it shouldn’t be used for Covid:

“It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:
  • No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
  • No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
  • A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.”


(From Merck’s website - https://www.merck.com/news/merck-sta...d-19-pandemic/ )
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Originally Posted by Muttley Crew
It's also now found to be effective on Yellow Fever and they're testing it on HIV-1, dengue virus (DENV), Zika virus, West Nile virus, Venezuelan equine encephalitis virus, Chikungunya virus, Pseudorabies virus, adenovirus, and......... SARS-CoV-2. Phase III human clinical trials have been completed for DENV, with >50 trials currently in progress worldwide for SARS-CoV-2.
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Where "it" = ivermectin.

Ivermectin is not being tested on HIV-1 rather it has been used to treat roundworm infestations (strongyloidiasis) in HIV + patients.

The completed phase II/III human clinical trials for dengue found that "clinical efficacy of ivermectin was not observed at this dosage regimen" where the dose regimen was 400 Ķg/kg or twice the recommended dosing for strongyloidiasis.

Of the more than 50 trials currently registered for SARS-CoV-2, nearly half have not even started recruiting participants and that's despite them being registered between 12 - 16 months ago. Form your own view as to whether any of those are likely to complete.
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 12:49
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Originally Posted by Peter_L
I've been reading these threads for some time. This is just pure misinformation. The whole point of treatments such as Ivermectin is that they are administered at the beginning of one's covid infection, to PREVENT severe covid from developing. Posting a single discredited study out of dozens that demonstrate significant efficacy does not build a case against said treatment.

For those posters asserting that Ivermectin is a drug designed for animals - again, completely false. This is a HUMAN anti-parisitic drug that's been safely used for decades over billions of doses.

People are entitled to ask questions without being howled down by posters regurgitating complete and utter media-driven falsehoods. If a vaccine can be developed in 6 months, then it is reasonable to examine the available data that demonstrates promising signs that certain treatments are worthy of further exploration.

Leaky vaccines that neither demonstrably stop one from contracting covid nor spreading it are not the silver bullet to halt this virus.
ANd, of course, you can site these "dozens of studies", as in properly controlled studies by reputable institutions?
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Leaky vaccines? Lol I’m just amazed what a bunch of tossers are posting in pprune. If you had primary school science aka 6 year olds, you would realise the term “leaky vaccines” is an absolute oxymoron. Any idiots talking about taking a anti-parasitic drug for COVID are just as deluded. Pilots fly airplanes our opinions on medicine is basically kindergarten. Bloody tossers….
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Old 10th Sep 2021, 13:08
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Disregarding my rant it’s nice to see a few of the old school of pprune re emerging on this thread, reminds me of the old days lol!
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Canít we just mix in some pfizer or similar to the Chemtrail mix and be done with this ffs.
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On another thread that has since been shut down somebody asked how can it be that a senior Pilot with over 50 years in the game can be in a high anxiety state about retiring with nothing.
The answer is pretty simple.
Pilots know f#ck all about anything other than flying.
But because aviation , particularly at the airline level , requires a certain personality type many Pilots THINK they should have an opinion on everything.
Including high finance , how to run a business , foreign policy ,medieval history and , of course , the validity or otherwise of COVID vaccinations.
Its an ongoing mystery.
All I can say to junior F/Os is don’t take financial / investment or relationship advise from the guy in the left hand seat. You might find to your surprise years later that they are living alone in a caravan chocked on bricks , after three divorces , living of two minute noodles.
It has always been thus.
Anybody knows why let me know.

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I think Grumpy just summed it up perfectly.
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