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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 01:13
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Originally Posted by Grumpy retiree View Post
No personal experience in the medical profession but plenty of family members who have and lots of discussions over the dinner table over the years. Apparently there is nothing scarier that working in an ICU that is running out of resources. Doctors then have to to make very hard decisions.
Undoubtedly, but having one, two , or no vaccines is not one of the considerations in resource allocation.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 01:14
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Sitting with paramedics while on call in a previous life they often talk about making choices at who gets the paramedics help when confronted with multiple patients at a accident or fire . Working on one while the other passes . Part of the job analysing who wonít make it . So to reduce chances of being in this situation wearing a seat belt and installing a smoke detector have been made into law . Getting a vaccination is not law for most itís best way to not be the poor soul who is first in waiting line for a ventilator.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 01:57
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
Undoubtedly, but having one, two , or no vaccines is not one of the considerations in resource allocation.
Not yet!!!!
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 03:02
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The quite simple answer is that YES you are already treated differently to any other patient if you have covid. It's a highly infectious disease that needs certain protocols to prevent spread, vs say a heart attack patient. Will you be given lessor standard of treatment if you are vaxxed or un-vaxxed, NO, that will never happen as it would be against ethics, morals and basic human rights. The doctors may not even know who is vaccinated or not at presentation, it may be a question that does alter your treatment as presence of vaccine could alter the mix of drugs they give you to assist your recovery, so there may be some differences in treatment. Could you be triaged out of treatment if hospital capacity is exceeded, this is possible, as the capacity for a hospital to handle covid specific cases could mean you have to travel further, or are simply sent home to recover if not severe enough. But I would say there would be NO preference for Vaxxed vs not in any triage event, it would be on severity vs what help could be administered.

The main fact is that the more people that are vaccinated, the less that will present to hospital with severe symptoms and the less chance of the system reaching a point that turning patients away happens.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 03:27
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You will be given the same treatment in Aus hospitals vaccinated or unvaccinated.

I would however expect you to give up your spot in line/give up your bed if you are severely ill with Covid and my little boy needs to be seen by a doctor if he falls off his bike and breaks his arm. You canít expect him to wait in pain while you take up the doctor's time.

You would be considered a lowlife by many if you had the option of a vaccine and refused it and then expected to be ahead of people with normal illnesses when you get sick from Covid.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 03:38
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You will be given the same treatment in Aus hospitals vaccinated or unvaccinated.
I know it's just wording, but it's more correct to say that you will receive the same 'standard' of treatment. As the treatment for a vaccinated patient may be different due to already having been administered the vaccination may alter how some drugs respond. That does not mean you get lessor standard, but it could mean that the vaccinated may be in a different position than the not, I can't answer that part.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 04:10
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
You will be given the same treatment in Aus hospitals vaccinated or unvaccinated.

I would however expect you to give up your spot in line/give up your bed if you are severely ill with Covid and my little boy needs to be seen by a doctor if he falls off his bike and breaks his arm. You canít expect him to wait in pain while you take up the doctor's time.

You would be considered a lowlife by many if you had the option of a vaccine and refused it and then expected to be ahead of people with normal illnesses when you get sick from Covid.
Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.

How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little shit that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bullshit.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.

You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.



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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 04:21
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.

How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little shit that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bullshit.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.

You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
So, you got your rights, just not the responsibilities atached, right?
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 04:26
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.

How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little shit that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bullshit.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.

You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.

Hit a nerve huhÖ I guess youíll be the demanding type in the ED that all the nurses go ďthe tool in bed 1 needs an IVÖ you can deal with themĒ.

Plenty of people happy to take your seniority number on November 15th.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 04:33
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It’s just a mask
It’s just to flatten the curve.

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

it’s only for for two week

it’s only effecting the elderly

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

school open school closed school open

different rules different countries

youtube Facebook censured

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

we don’t vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We don’t recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will

vaccinate vaccinate

booster booster

not mandatory

only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies

now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back

vaccination passport , green lights

no booster = orange light , you protest = red light

your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist



are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?










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Originally Posted by union View Post
Itís just a mask
Itís just to flatten the curve.

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

itís only for for two week

itís only effecting the elderly

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

school open school closed school open

different rules different countries

youtube Facebook censured

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

we donít vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We donít recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will

vaccinate vaccinate

booster booster

not mandatory

only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies

now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back

vaccination passport , green lights

no booster = orange light , you protest = red light

your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist



are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
Yes.

It's an unprecedented situation and things change as knowledge does.

this is happening all around the globe- but it's the Lizard Overlords, right?
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 05:10
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Originally Posted by Wizofoz View Post
Yes.

It's an unprecedented situation and things change as knowledge does.

this is happening all around the globe- but it's the Lizard Overlords, right?
Lizard Overlords ? Donít be ridiculous.
Its the Deep State Pedophiles.
Please try and keep upÖÖ
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 06:06
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Originally Posted by Grumpy retiree View Post
Lizard Overlords ? Donít be ridiculous.
Its the Deep State Pedophiles.
Please try and keep upÖÖ
Wasn't it the deep state pedos last month? I thought it was the lizard lords turn.
But it's so hard to keep up without knowing the true priority order of approved news services. Is it Tik tok, Facebook and then YouTube? Or does YouTube come first?

But yes, it is a huge conspiracy. I can't believe it got out. It all started when Rockefeller tried to stop snake oil salesman and the FDA type organisation was born. It's been a slow burner ever since but now it's time for all big pharma companies to start micro chipping adults and eating the children. Well, as we know, it's all big pharma companies except Merck, as they make the wonder drug. They are keeping its efficacy secret from the masses though, as they would prefer to miss out on profits and just save the select few.
Look for a new establishment in Guyana, maybe could be called Jonestown. For the chosen few who see the real truth only, obviously.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 07:47
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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Didn't take long for the segregationist bigots to appear.

How do we know your boy wasn't being an irresponsible little shit that resulted in his arm getting broken? No, I wouldn't expect anyone who's sick to defer to your boy or your self righteous bullshit.
Why don't you tell us some more on how you'd like society to run in different tiers and castes though - we're all ears.

You're a hypocrite, plain and simple. Keep playing mental gymnastics though to try and justify it to yourself.
So you see those who refuse vaccines as little, irresponible shits with behavior that results in them getting sick from Covid?

Segregation will take place the moment you arrive with symptomes of Covid. Does it matter for your treatment if you have been vaccinated? If you have any other illnesses?
Yes, and I would expect the medical staff to ask these questions. The people in hospital now are mainly non vaccinated or vaccinated with other medical issues as well.
Segregation may very well place these categories ahead of the rest as the rest of us will get a milder version of Covid if we get infected.


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”So you see those who refuse vaccines as little, irresponible shits with behavior that results in them getting sick from Covid?”

Yeah , pretty much.
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Travel in Euroland is very much based on your vaccination status. Those without vaccines can’t travel or will be placed in quarantine.
That is segragation, but it’s your own choice what group you want to be in.
The main anti vaxx group here now are East Europeans. They keep the virus going.
My company can’t legally force us to take the shot, but 99% of us are now vaccinated. Without much discussion.

Sorry to say this, but the Aussie way of discussing, complaining and whining about nearly everything, is working against you.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 08:56
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Originally Posted by union View Post
Itís just a mask
Itís just to flatten the curve.

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

itís only for for two week

itís only effecting the elderly

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

school open school closed school open

different rules different countries

youtube Facebook censured

it is for your own good! We are the health experts!

we donít vaccinate children , now we vaccinate children in US not in UK ! We donít recommend astra Zeneca for the young but now we will

vaccinate vaccinate

booster booster

not mandatory

only mandatory for health professionals, pilots and the tradies

now mandatory for everyone if you want your life back

vaccination passport , green lights

no booster = orange light , you protest = red light

your 5 month old baby unvaccinated = conspiracy theorist



are we sure that nothing else is happening behind the scenes ? ? ?
........love it:-) But the indoctrinated & fearful will find a way to explain all the lies & bullshit away, it's their reason to be alive:-)
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 08:56
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc View Post
Grumpy Retiree and DeFlieger - Give your vast ICU credentials to this forum.
I am working alongside the medical professionals, and they do not assess vaccination status when treating cases. If a patient is has covid like symptoms they will treat said patient as having covid until PCR tests can confirm otherwise.
Gladly. Zero. No medical training beyond my basic company first aid stuff. But I listen to my relatives and friends who do have medical degrees, and who are doctors who do work in the hospitals. What you've said there though is correct, and goes some way to illustrating the problem - people come in and need to be isolated and tested, adding to the workload. And when some of them get those tests and a positive case is confirmed, it takes out a bunch of medical professionals while they self-isolate or are treated, reducing available staffing levels at a time of increased workload and disrupting the surgical and other programs as the people who should be running them, are in isolation. That has a human cost, in terms of worse outcomes and people suffering for longer until their surgery can be replanned. So when they tell me that hospitals are cancelling all but very urgent surgery to deal with covid cases, or the number of ICU beds is worryingly low, I listen to them. They won't watch a couple of YouTube videos about jets and tell me how I'm flying wrongly, and I don't watch YouTube videos about viruses and make the mistake of thinking that outranks their medical degrees.

There's no contradiction between what you see of assessing or not assessing a patient's vaccination status, and the planning behind the scenes for what happens at higher case numbers or when hospitals go onto bypass.
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Old 22nd Sep 2021, 09:16
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So, you got your rights, just not the responsibilities atached, right?
Every Australian Citizen gets the same treatment. That didn't change because you got all ego stroked over having an injection.

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Hit a nerve huhÖ I guess youíll be the demanding type in the ED that all the nurses go ďthe tool in bed 1 needs an IVÖ you can deal with themĒ.

Plenty of people happy to take your seniority number on November 15th.
Pretty sure I won't end up in the ED, the hospital, or the ICU for Covid - ever. So nah.
I'd say you've been on the Covid fear porn too long - but that's being too generous. You're the type of person who appears out of the woodwork with your bigotry the moment you see your kind congregating.

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Segregation will take place the moment you arrive with symptomes of Covid.
Rubbish. If the Governments seriously believed this to be the case, they would have massively increased capacity of Hospitals to cope. They've had over 18 months now, and they've done absolutely nothing. It's not going to happen and they know it.
This is a fantasy that lives in your head, and perpetuated by the mainstream media.

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Originally Posted by kingRB View Post
Every Australian Citizen gets the same treatment. That didn't change because you got all ego stroked over having an injection.
You should tell Gladys Berejiklian that then. A quote from her a couple of days ago: "We all have choices and if it's your choice not to be vaccinated, well that might mean you cannot participate in things that (the) fully vaccinated do."

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Pretty sure I won't end up in the ED, the hospital, or the ICU for Covid - ever. So nah.
There's a lot of dead people who said almost those exact same words too. Some younger, some older. Some who were convinced that they were fit and healthy and had nothing to worry about, some who have left behind young children. You can see some of their quotes and memes over at the Herman Cain Awards page. New winners every day! Maybe you're right, maybe you're fully vaccinated or lucky or both. Hell, 5 out of 6 people enjoy Russian Roulette. Spin that wheel....

Rubbish. If the Governments seriously believed this to be the case, they would have massively increased capacity of Hospitals to cope. They've had over 18 months now, and they've done absolutely nothing. It's not going to happen and they know it.
This is a fantasy that lives in your head, and perpetuated by the mainstream media.
It's not that they've done absolutely nothing, and there have absolutely been missteps and mistakes along the way, but it takes quite a few years to train a doctor to even a basic level of competence, and a few more to specialise. Nurses are another bottleneck, a few years training there too, and you need the trainers and supervisors to do the training. ICU beds are useless without the specialised staff to run them, all of which take a lot more than 18 months to train.
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