All borders to reopen.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by SHVC

No, Gladys said “the whole point of getting to those vaccination milestones you don’t have lockdowns in the future you manage the disease” 35 minutes in.

feel freer, more freedoms, is the whole point of vaccinations so that lockdowns are not needed, did not commit to "no lockdowns" other than a statewide lockdown. Political speak is a wonderful thing. When what you heard is challenged, she will say noooo! I didn't say that, I said......

Keep her answers to the questions separated, don't see what she says as a press release statement

[machtuk]

If you have to be persuaded, locked down, curfewed, reminded, pressured, coerced, lied to, socially shamed, incentivised, guilt tripped, paid, threatened, punished and or criminalised to gain your compliance then you can absolutely be certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest!

[nivsy]

Originally Posted by machtuk

If you have to be persuaded, locked down, curfewed, reminded, pressured, coerced, lied to, socially shamed, incentivised, guilt tripped, paid, threatened, punished and or criminalised to gain your compliance then you can absolutely be certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest!

Ok so easy to say ...and your solution is?

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by nivsy

Ok so easy to say ...and your solution is?

Ask nicely for the fence sitters, everyone will most likely be vaccinated when they can anyway without the need to ask. I'm not sure that anyone can just get vaccinated tomorrow anywhere.

[WingNut60]

Originally Posted by Xeptu

Ask nicely for the fence sitters, everyone will most likely be vaccinated when they can anyway without the need to ask. I'm not sure that anyone can just get vaccinated tomorrow anywhere.

They can. That's if they're in the >60 age group and prepared to accept A-Z.
Asked at my local pharmacy on Saturday. Yep, no problem, we have plenty.

[dr dre]

Originally Posted by Cirressna

I'm by no means an Ivermectin advocate, and let's not turn this thread into that, but Oxford has started a trial on the drug for the treatment of covid. It will be very interesting what the results are. Does basically everyone have to apologise to Craig Kelly etc if it does prove effective?

I don’t see how another study is going to show Ivermectin is the miracle drug it’s claimed to be given the countless studies that’s proved it isn’t. Or the studies that recently had to be retracted due to being outright fabrications.

So I’m fairly sure we can continue laughing at Craig Kelly instead of ever having to apologise to him.

Here’s a real life example of Ivermectin’s effectiveness, and the theories of Charles Darwin at work:


A man from Texas who organized protests against COVID-19 safety measures has died of the virus after spending nearly a month in hospital.

Caleb Wallace's death was confirmed by his wife Jessica on a GoFundMe page that she had created to raise funds for medical and household bills.

The 30-year-old father of three helped organize rallies last year to protest against pandemic safety measures, including lockdowns, masks, and vaccinations, which he called "COVID tyranny."

His wife, Jessica Wallace, told the San Angelo Standard-Times that her husband began showing symptoms on July 26 and initially refused to get tested or go to the hospital.

Wallace chose to treat himself with ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medication used to deworm horses, and high doses of Vitamin C, zinc aspirin, and an inhaler.

[highflyer40]

Originally Posted by machtuk

If you have to be persuaded, locked down, curfewed, reminded, pressured, coerced, lied to, socially shamed, incentivised, guilt tripped, paid, threatened, punished and or criminalised to gain your compliance then you can absolutely be certain that what is being promoted is not in your best interest!

No all it means is you Australians are a strange lot!

2 billion people are fully vaccinated. Another 2.5 billion have had their first dose.

People aren’t falling dead all over the globe after receiving their vaccine.

[aviation_enthus]

Originally Posted by KRviator

1,218 new cases in New Sick Wales today, completely skipping the 1100's...The genie is well and truly out of the bottle, but of the 6 new deaths, all over 70, 4 unvaccinated, and two with only one dose. Now that makes me wonder, as I'm in my 30's having my second dose this arvo - though I would have preferred to not have them at all, that's not an option if I want to get back to work the way McGoose is carrying on...

But anyways... if people in their 70's & 80's haven't had even one dose the question needs to asked, why are millions of people lockdown, losing literally billions of dollars in salary & super, to protect people who won't try to protect themselves!?? At what point do we say "You've had your chance to get the shot, you've not taken it, so you're on your own! Good luck!" because I refuse to believe someone who is over 70 has not had a chance to get both vaccinations by now.

Well you can believe that, YES it is the case that plenty of 70+ year olds haven’t had a “chance to be vaccinated” yet.

Personally have extended family in Sydney that struggled to get the first dose (due to having to navigate the overly complicated system) and then when they went to get the second AZ dose were told there wasn’t any!!

Other older friends in Melbourne took 3 weeks-running around (of personal time) before he could get the first AZ dose.

As for aged care residents and workers, I don’t understand why they haven’t all been done months ago!! I mean aged care residents live there, not exactly hard to find them is it….

But given how overly complicated and ridiculous the vaccine rollout has been, I don’t think we are at the point of “everyone has had an opportunity”. That time will come, I’d argue by 1st December* we should be able to easily say “you’re on your own now if you choose not to get vaccinated”.

*80% double jabbed plus two weeks to allow full protection.

[SHVC]

Aussie truck drivers are doing the work for Anna stay away, road block into QLD nice relief for her. She will be spewing her Amazon order won’t be arriving today tho.

[blubak]

Originally Posted by Dannyboy39

I see that Qantas is looking at moving it’s ultra long run from London to Perth, to Darwin instead because of the way WA are acting. How many lads and lasses are based in PER on the 787 fleet? Or are they usually MEL based for this run?

Pretty sure no PER base,they would use PER as an overnight stop from an east coast city before doing PER -LHR & vv.

[Cafe City]

Originally Posted by SHVC

Aussie truck drivers are doing the work for Anna stay away, road block into QLD nice relief for her. She will be spewing her Amazon order won’t be arriving today tho.

I understood they were blocking the M1 southbound…

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by highflyer40

No all it means is you Australians are a strange lot! 2 billion people are fully vaccinated. Another 2.5 billion have had their first dose.
People aren’t falling dead all over the globe after receiving their vaccine.

For you guys in the UK I'll try and put some perspective on it for you. The 20% population we are talking about are mostly our regional people, our primary producers, the nations food bowl, not only ours but yours too. The area has small communities of about 150 people spread over the length and width of the entire UK, these don't have hospitals and the nearest doctor can be 500km's away. We know that because of their isolation they are lower priority, so vaccines are redirected to higher priority zones and in some cases to another state. We know the virus will eventually arrive in their communities, so the vaccines must get there first. At the moment we simply don't have the vaccines and a limited number of delivery teams.

Some in our nation, those in the cities that don't understand the logistics involved, the ones that think Sydney is Australia, want to forge ahead anyway. Our regional communities don't think that way and nor do our leaders in those states. I hope that sheds some light on the magnitude of the problem, they are not antivaxers or protesters, they're all in the capitol cities, the same as yours.

When I commute between properties to move shearers an harvest teams around, its like flying from Dublin to Berlin, then back to London via Madrid, All those little communties are along those routes.

[rattman]

Originally Posted by SHVC

Aussie truck drivers are doing the work for Anna stay away, road block into QLD nice relief for her. She will be spewing her Amazon order won’t be arriving today tho.

Weird know an actual truck driver and QLD is one the easiest state to get into according to him if the paperwork is correct, one of the few states that actually has drive through testing capable of taking heavy vehicles. Other states like VIC he has to park the truck then transport to a testing facility and back again.

[SHVC]

It did t last long only an hr, PH of all ppl spoke with the drivers to move on allegedly.

[43Inches]

Weird know an actual truck driver and QLD is one the easiest state to get into according to him if the paperwork is correct, one of the few states that actually has drive through testing capable of taking heavy vehicles. Other states like VIC he has to park the truck then transport to a testing facility and back again.

Not weird at all when most likely CP and his mob are most likely behind stirring this up. There's a lot of this sentiment and poor advice coming from Queenslanders and I'd hazard a guess that one large person may be the prime agitator.

[rattman]

Originally Posted by 43Inches

Not weird at all when most likely CP and his mob are most likely behind stirring this up. There's a lot of this sentiment and poor advice coming from Queenslanders and I'd hazard a guess that one large person may be the prime agitator.

they are also turning one of the boondall complex in 24/7 heavy vehicle drive through testing

[Xeptu]

In my humble opinion, there are elements to that statement that are quite correct, "except" in a "state of emergency" It gets interesting where the feds open the international borders, does that mean an end the the national state of emergency. The states have those powers also with respect to their own borders, irrespective of what the feds decide. Can the feds do that without the states. Either way it would be federal political suicide. I wonder what the governor general is thinking right now.

[Potsie Weber]

1. Australia does not have Emergency Use Authorisation for vaccines. The COVID vaccines were provisionally approved as per any vaccine.
2. Vaccines cannot be forced upon people, but it is quite legal to deny service/benefit or offer incentive.
3. It is likely businesses will not sack people for not being vaccinated, but will make them compulsorily redundant.

[Xeptu]

Originally Posted by Potsie Weber

1. Australia does not have Emergency Use Authorisation for vaccines. The COVID vaccines were provisionally approved as per any vaccine.
2. Vaccines cannot be forced upon people, but it is quite legal to deny service/benefit or offer incentive.
3. It is likely businesses will not sack people for not being vaccinated, but will make them compulsorily redundant.

point 3. is however discrimination, replace vaccinated, with religion.

[highflyer40]

Originally Posted by Xeptu

point 3. is however discrimination, replace vaccinated, with religion.

It’s not discrimination. As the laws on discrimination in Australia are very specific in that it only applies to certain attributes. Such as age, disability, sex, religion, and a few others I can’t be bothered to type. So there is no framework in law in Australia for someone to claim discrimination for being made redundant for not being vaccinated. There may be other laws you could use, but this isn’t one of them.