All borders to reopen.
Because there was nothing noble about it, they were doing their job, no different to your pilots returning Australians. Have we forgotten already thousands were infected, hundreds died,
We in Australia have been lucky, the numbers are much smaller compared to the UK. all eyes are on the UK to see how that works out. We don't deny there will come a time to open up.
What do I want, absolutely nothing. I would like Australians to be aware that not everything is as it seems, How many of us could tell you how many pilots are still stood down, do they even care. When our politicians (like scomo did) and our CMO's say we are ready, we are prepared for this, that we are not and when that critical moment arrives, that will become painfully obvious.
We in Australia have been lucky, the numbers are much smaller compared to the UK. all eyes are on the UK to see how that works out. We don't deny there will come a time to open up.
What do I want, absolutely nothing. I would like Australians to be aware that not everything is as it seems, How many of us could tell you how many pilots are still stood down, do they even care. When our politicians (like scomo did) and our CMO's say we are ready, we are prepared for this, that we are not and when that critical moment arrives, that will become painfully obvious.
Vaccine-Enhanced Disease Enhancement. The latest thing people who have no idea what they are talking about will tell you to convince themselves that the COVID vaccines are dangerous (after finding out about it on their Aunty Doris’ Facebook timeline).
I googled it but couldn't find a definition so thanks for the reply.
When I mentioned earlier that Australia will open up at years end, this was based on two things.
One, vaccination levels will reach an acceptable point to try this and two; The level of discontent at lockdowns or lockdown fatigue will have reached a point that governments will start to become wary of using this method. Both restlessness and economic factors will push the second point more and more the longer this continues. People do not become accustomed to lack of freedoms, they simmer until burn out, and no government wants to get there. Hence why brits opened up.
This all of course depends on Covid not going nuclear and becoming more deadly, ADE and whatever else nature can muster.
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Well that's not a politicians call is it, that decision is on us the people. We need to have the conversation, it'll be the most watched Q&A session of all time I would think.
Our girls volunteered to help VIC in it's time of need and all of them came home infected, a good many of yours too. Mine are still affected from it, Long Covid they call it.
They can't be vaccinated yet, I don't know enough about it to tell u why, but in any case we have made our decision and I know we're not alone that we cannot be infected a second time,
So we have a very well organised bugout plan should that become necessary. one of the issues was the feeling of walking away from people in need, the ICU is the very last line of defence. My pitch to them to make them feel better is that you can't help anyone if your incapable yourself.
What you have written here in the last few hours gives us confidence our plan is sound and we should'nt worry too much about those that don't care anyway.
Our girls volunteered to help VIC in it's time of need and all of them came home infected, a good many of yours too. Mine are still affected from it, Long Covid they call it.
They can't be vaccinated yet, I don't know enough about it to tell u why, but in any case we have made our decision and I know we're not alone that we cannot be infected a second time,
So we have a very well organised bugout plan should that become necessary. one of the issues was the feeling of walking away from people in need, the ICU is the very last line of defence. My pitch to them to make them feel better is that you can't help anyone if your incapable yourself.
What you have written here in the last few hours gives us confidence our plan is sound and we should'nt worry too much about those that don't care anyway.
I'm actually really confused about what you're talking about here. Don't know why you're so vague. Your daughters are in the medical field and worked in hospitals on the frontline? They can't be vaccinated even though working on the frontline, why? Bugout plan? What are you on about!?
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Almost 300 cases in NSW today. What a monumental **** up by the NSW government. All because they were too smug to lock it down earlier.
I'm actually really confused about what you're talking about here. Don't know why you're so vague. Your daughters are in the medical field and worked in hospitals on the frontline? They can't be vaccinated even though working on the frontline, why? Bugout plan? What are you on about!?
I didn't say "My Daughters" somebody else did.
It was in the time before the vaccine.
There are issues around being vaccinated once you have been/are infected. I don't know enough about it myself.
Bugout Plan, we have made the decision not to become infected a second time, vaccinated or not, In other words they won't be staff at all, if and when that time comes.
You can work out for yourself what the likely consequences of that are where there are significant staff numbers having made the same decision.
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https://www.smh.com.au/politics/fede...05-p58gb9.html
Scomo and Hunt are pair of mucking fuppets, what a total pisspoor move.
Scomo and Hunt are pair of mucking fuppets, what a total pisspoor move.
There are issues around being vaccinated once you have been/are infected. I don't know enough about it myself.
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The first I heard of VADE was listening to the inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone who has worked in vaccine development for decades, saying the mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads starting to show up around the world are early hallmarks of VADE..he stressed of course that it’s too early to tell definitively yet.
He’s hardly been in step with the broad medical community recently.
That in itself doesn’t mean he’s wrong, but there are enough red flags to treat his claims with a healthy degree of scrutiny and scepticism.
That in itself doesn’t mean he’s wrong, but there are enough red flags to treat his claims with a healthy degree of scrutiny and scepticism.
The first I heard of VADE was listening to the inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone who has worked in vaccine development for decades, saying the mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads starting to show up around the world are early hallmarks of VADE..he stressed of course that it’s too early to tell definitively yet.
https://www.logically.ai/factchecks/library/3aa2eefd
And spare me the ‘who fact checks the fact checkers’ retort that seems to be the only line conspiracy theorists are able to conjure up.
The first I heard of VADE was listening to the inventor of mRNA technology, Dr Robert Malone who has worked in vaccine development for decades, saying the mRNA vaccinated patients with huge viral loads starting to show up around the world are early hallmarks of VADE..he stressed of course that it’s too early to tell definitively yet.
COVID-19 vaccines effectively prevent severe disease; haven’t shown signs of antibody-dependent enhancement as claimed by Robert Malone
But the most damning critique is where did he go to make these claims? The podcast of Steve Bannon, the Trump boosting conspiracy troll.
What the not yet peer reviewed studies show are that in communities with very high cases of Delta, vaccinated people who have had breakthrough infections of Delta exhibit similar viral loads to unvaccinated people. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.21261387v1
Interesting, but nothing overly against the flow in that I'd say. If you get infected (and the chances are very low) you can infect others. Might be more transmissible than previously expected though. Probably why the CDC has recommended masks for vaxed folk too.
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The PM about to speak again after another cabinet meeting. I don't wreken will will see 70% never mind 80% vaxed, just maybe, they discussed lowering these
numbers. Just guessing as we need to reach something tangible. You get this feeling that the exit strategy will change on a week to week basis.
Dam he just spoke still 70%. Still a long long way to freedom.
numbers. Just guessing as we need to reach something tangible. You get this feeling that the exit strategy will change on a week to week basis.
Dam he just spoke still 70%. Still a long long way to freedom.
What the not yet peer reviewed studies show are that in communities with very high cases of Delta, vaccinated people who have had breakthrough infections of Delta exhibit similar viral loads to unvaccinated people. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....31.21261387v1
The small sample size aside, the fundamental problem with that study is that they are trying to use threshold cycle (Ct) values from PCR testing to determine viral load. You can't use Ct values to determine, or even infer, viral load. As the CDC stated clearly here:
A Ct value does not indicate how much virus is present, but only whether or not viral genetic material was detected at a defined threshold.
RT-PCR tests are used to identify and diagnose an active infection but cannot be used to show how infectious someone is.
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I wasn't supporting its rigour or methodology (I'll let the established process take care of that) rather I was just pointing out that even if does pass, its conclusions are not paradigm shifting, and hardly anything to base an alternative narrative on.
The PM about to speak again after another cabinet meeting. I don't wreken will will see 70% never mind 80% vaxed, just maybe, they discussed lowering these
numbers. Just guessing as we need to reach something tangible. You get this feeling that the exit strategy will change on a week to week basis.
Dam he just spoke still 70%. Still a long long way to freedom.
numbers. Just guessing as we need to reach something tangible. You get this feeling that the exit strategy will change on a week to week basis.
Dam he just spoke still 70%. Still a long long way to freedom.
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