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Old 30th Aug 2021, 20:52
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Anna stay away has done her self and state proud once again. Banning all entry into QLD not even allowing a lady that’s had cancer treatment and lives 75km from the health center. But, if you’re a family member of the NRL you’re good to go come in as you please. QLD and WA have their own agendas which premier is more sick in the mind? Keeping hotels free for NRL family’s is just wrong QLDnrs should be ashamed of their premier.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 21:13
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Originally Posted by Potsie Weber
1. Australia does not have Emergency Use Authorisation for vaccines. The COVID vaccines were provisionally approved as per any vaccine.
2. Vaccines cannot be forced upon people, but it is quite legal to deny service/benefit or offer incentive.
3. It is likely businesses will not sack people for not being vaccinated, but will make them compulsorily redundant.
The third point is wishful thinking to say the least. The QF group have come out and said if you donít fulfil the requirements of your role (ie have the COVID vaccine), your employment will be terminated.

They are certainly not going to be paying QF long haul pilots a 96 week redundancy if they refuse to be vaccinated.

Airline pilots in Australia (both QF group and Virgin) have a very clear decision to make over the next 6-8 weeks - get vaccinated or run the very real risk that you will no longer have a job.

Pretty easy decision really.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 21:43
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Originally Posted by Colonel_Klink
The third point is wishful thinking to say the least. The QF group have come out and said if you donít fulfil the requirements of your role (ie have the COVID vaccine), your employment will be terminated.

They are certainly not going to be paying QF long haul pilots a 96 week redundancy if they refuse to be vaccinated.

Airline pilots in Australia (both QF group and Virgin) have a very clear decision to make over the next 6-8 weeks - get vaccinated or run the very real risk that you will no longer have a job.

Pretty easy decision really.
Iím very confident that the number of pilots willing to be terminated on the basis of principle will be counted on the fingers of less than one hand.

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Old 30th Aug 2021, 22:24
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Iím very confident that the number of pilots willing to be terminated on the basis of principle will be counted on the fingers of less than one hand.
Couldnít agree more.

Plenty of shouting from the rooftops from the usual suspects, but I would suggest that all of these Ďprincipledí pilots wonít be putting their $200k airline job at risk.
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Old 30th Aug 2021, 22:32
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More likely I'd expect there'll be some who are looking to "manufacture" a medical reason why they cannot partake of the vaccine.

Could be an interesting tightrope to find something that doesn't bring into question your ability to hold a Class 1 medical.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 00:36
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If there's any chance of opening borders at 80% vaccinated in or about DEC, which I agree that is what the federal government is implying, then we need to get some bus loads of distribution teams with vaccines on a road trip into the remote regions of the national food bowl fairly smartly, that's going to take a long time to vaccinate all those farming communities. If the virus gets in there before they are vaccinated there won't be a harvest this year or crops next year. That would be a national catastrophe. How do we make this happen, the National Party isn't what it used to be.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 00:41
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
If there's any chance of opening borders at 80% vaccinated in or about DEC, which I agree that is what the federal government is implying, then we need to get some bus loads of distribution teams with vaccines on a road trip into the remote regions of the national food bowl fairly smartly, that's going to take a long time to vaccinate all those farming communities. If the virus gets in there before they are vaccinated there won't be a harvest this year or crops next year. That would be a national catastrophe. How do we make this happen, the National Party isn't what it used to be.
Mandate the vaccine?
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 00:55
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
Mandate the vaccine?
No need! they want the vaccine, they just can't get it, all the focus is on NSW first and even then the Cities not so much the regions, same for VIC. How long do we have to wait.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:04
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How long do we have to wait.
No need! We have all the AZ we could want and then some!!
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:05
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Gladdy is mad keen on opening international to NSW at 80% vax rate. I wonder if thats her indicating NSW going their own course leaving the other states to manage travelers as they approach their borders.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:05
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Originally Posted by Maggie Island
No need! We have all the AZ we could want and then some!!
Well get it to us then
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:15
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
Well get it [AZ vaccine] to us then
Dont know where you are Xptu but in the NSW regions thereís virtually no waiting for an AZ.

Trouble is, many people have decided that Pfizer is the one they want and not many takers for the AZ.

There is a risk of side effects for both vaccines of course, but itís minuscule. This hasnít stopped people playing politics with the publicís fears and ignorance though.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:19
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Originally Posted by JustinHeywood
Dont know where you are Xptu but in the NSW regions thereís virtually no waiting for an AZ.

Trouble is, many people have decided that Pfizer is the one they want and not many takers for the AZ.

There is a risk of side effects for both vaccines of course, but itís minuscule. This hasnít stopped people playing politics with the publicís fears and ignorance though.
The regions have never been ones to complain about choice, that's you city folk. AZ is fine by us, in fact it's preferred, just get scomo to get it to us like he's supposed to be doing.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:35
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ZOMGORRRZZZ! We've just passed 1,000 Covid deaths. That's terrible! A true tragedy, horrible! We MUST do something to stop all these people DYING from Covid! Lockdown! And over there, there's children playing in the park! Police! ARREST THEM!

Meanwhile, in the Oncology ward, a Doctor sighs as he fills out the death certificate and says "That's the 5,658th lung cancer victim this year..."
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:37
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Supply it and they will come

ACT 70+ year olds now at 99.45% having had their first dose ... and still going higher each day.

Supply (of an Ďacceptableí vaccine) & our ability to deliver, would seem to be the main constraints.

Obviously not the whole story, but vaccine hesitancy may be more a very small (but noisy) minority than a real issue
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:49
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Originally Posted by Xeptu
The regions have never been ones to complain about choice, that's you city folk. AZ is fine by us, in fact it's preferred, just get scomo to get it to us like he's supposed to be doing.
Iím in the regions Xep, and most people I know are either waiting for Pfizer or ant-vax idiots anyway (NSW north coast). Pretty much anyone can get AZ - my son got it yesterday after booking in over the weekend.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:55
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Meanwhile, in the Oncology ward, a Doctor sighs as he fills out the death certificate and says "That's the 5,658th lung cancer victim this year..."
On the basis that around 4,527 of 5,658 deaths from lung cancer were likely directly related to smoking, little doubt as to what your fictitious doctor was sighing about.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 01:57
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Originally Posted by KRviator
ZOMGORRRZZZ! We've just passed 1,000 Covid deaths. That's terrible! A true tragedy, horrible! We MUST do something to stop all these people DYING from Covid! Lockdown! And over there, there's children playing in the park! Police! ARREST THEM!

Meanwhile, in the Oncology ward, a Doctor sighs as he fills out the death certificate and says "That's the 5,658th lung cancer victim this year..."
I wasn't aware lung cancer is a highly contagious virus. How long would the average lung cancer victim have been known to the medical system and how much treatment would they have received versus a COVID victim? Do lung cancer sufferers often die within 12 days? Adriana Takara
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 02:06
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Originally Posted by Chronic Snoozer
I wasn't aware lung cancer is a highly contagious virus. How long would the average lung cancer victim have been known to the medical system and how much treatment would they have received versus a COVID victim? Do lung cancer sufferers often die within 12 days? Adriana Takara
You've missed the point. Lung cancer, as MickG rightly points out, is mostly (90% male, 65% female according to the Cancer Council) caused by voluntary smoking. And Governments of all persuasions, do sweet FA about it - and it sure as hell doesn't rate a mention in the papers the way Covid is racking up column inches. It's just..."accepted", as part of everyday life.
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Old 31st Aug 2021, 02:11
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Originally Posted by layman
ACT 70+ year olds now at 99.45% having had their first dose ... and still going higher each day.

Supply (of an Ďacceptableí vaccine) & our ability to deliver, would seem to be the main constraints.

Obviously not the whole story, but vaccine hesitancy may be more a very small (but noisy) minority than a real issue
Yes! I'll try and explain it for the benefit of our own city people. I'm double dosed AZ, the second dose was only a week ago and done the moment I was eligible. I'm based near a major community centre of about 20,000 people. Less than half of those in that centre are vaccinated, not because they don't want to be but mostly because in truth they are fence sitters, there isn't a need right now, there's no covid in the community. Now this part is the serious bit. Anyone outside of 100Km's of those centres only comes to town about once a month. Up to now they either haven't been eligible or there wasn't any or anywhere you could get it. These are by far the greater majority of the region.
Would it be fair to say that we can expect the virus to arrive in those areas around the end of the year, regardless of the borders, is that a fair call?? If that happens at harvest, it will be catastrophic for the nation and the Industry. NO FOOD If we can't get those same people into WA at harvest, very little harvest.

All I'm trying to tell you is the impending problem is bigger than tourism and travel. There is still time to fix it, but scomo better get his finger out.
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