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Old 30th Jul 2021, 05:08
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
And we now have a tradie who knew he was positive, that has been working on a construction site for at least a week!!!

There is no hope!!!’n
Going to run out of fingers trying to stop the leaks in this dam wall . %70-%80 vaccinated is the new game in town .
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 06:00
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Originally Posted by Lead Balloon View Post
Yep. When the ambulance screeches to a halt at the door of the emergency department of the hospital, they'll add "have you chosen not to be vaccinated for Covid 19" to the existing list of questions asked in deciding whether to provide or refuse treatment to someone in a medical crisis.

Remind me of the existing list of questions asked by a hospital in deciding whether to admit or refuse someone who can't breathe to the emergency department.

Fortunately the Health Minister and Chief Health Officer aren’t as sadistic as some of the posters here and are welcoming people to hospitals if they need healthcare irrespective of how they caught the virus or their vaccination status.

Would be interesting to see the empty hospitals if we rationed healthcare based on “he should’ve known this might happen”. No more alcoholics, smokers, obese people, motorbike riders, DIY-ladder-climbers.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 09:00
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National Cabinet might as well just be abandoned as old mate out west has other ideas vs what the PM outlined this evening. WA could be locking down for years and years to come. This industry will basically fall over if that’s the case.

Lockdowns are, really, until we're all vaccinated, the only thing that works.

"When we hit the 80 per cent mark, lockdowns would only be for unusual circumstances in specific locations, but 80 per cent vaccination is very high."

Mr McGowan also announced ships from "high risk" countries will now be blocked from entering his state's ports.

While the measures were "robust and draconian", he said, they're necessary to protect West Australians.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 09:01
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Australians will move to the next phase of dealing with the pandemic - potentially out of lockdowns and internal border restrictions - when 70 per cent of the eligible national population as well as each state and territory is fully vaccinated.

Prime Minister Scott Morrison confirmed the 70 per cent target after a marathon national cabinet meeting on Friday.

Australia is currently in Phase A, where lockdowns and quarantine are still required to deal with outbreaks

“We will get to the next phase when Australia reaches 70 per cent of the eligible population who are double dose vaccinated,” Mr Morrison said on Friday.

“We will get to Phase C when we hit 80 per cent.”

“Australia will get this done by working together. The targets are there for us all to achieve and for us all to work towards.”


Mr Morrison said lockdowns in Phase B would be less likely but still possible, and international border caps would remain, but inbound passenger caps, which were recently halved, would be restored back to around 6000 a week.

There would be a larger cap for vaccinated returning travellers coming to Australia in Phase B.

The prime minister said there would be “special rules” for those who got vaccinated, where restrictions would be eased. The details of that are still to be worked through, he said.

“Because if you're vaccinated, you present less of a public health risk. You are less likely to get the virus. You are less likely to transmit it,” Mr Morrison added.

Targeted lockdowns in Phase C

In Phase C, Mr Morrison said lockdowns would only be “highly-targeted” and would not be imposed metropolitan-wide.

“Where there are vulnerable communities - they may be in remote communities, they may be in particular communities within a city, where there may be cultural elements that may be involved in this,” he said.

“It may be a particularly vulnerable population, then you need to leave yourself and the states and territories for public health reasons, they will need to leave themselves that option.”

In Phase C, there will be no cap on the number of fully vaccinated Australians returning to the country.

Caps will also be raised for students, economic and refugee visa holders.


Australians who’ve been fully vaccinated will be able to travel overseas in this phase, and there could be unrestricted travel to new countries that Australia launches a “travel bubble” with.

The final phase involves opening up international borders, and only high-risk inbound travellers will be required to quarantine.

“Once we get above the 80 per cent, the scientific evidence shows that we're largely then in a place where COVID can be managed consistent with other infectious diseases and of course, we don't apply those types of restrictions to the flu or many other things like that,” Mr Morrison said.

In a reference to the UK, Mr Morrison Australia’s plan was not about “freedom days”.

“We've always been in Australia taking our own path to this.”
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 09:15
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I like the part where vaccinated ppl get privileges, I wonder what they will be.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 09:22
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Tuned out as soon as Scotty's lips started moving.
Fortunately the Health Minister and Chief Health Officer aren’t as sadistic as some of the posters here and are welcoming people to hospitals if they need healthcare irrespective of how they caught the virus or their vaccination status.
The proclivities of the NSW Health Minister and Chief Health Officer are neither here nor there, and are their business.

The fact is that an ICU won't know why someone who's lobbed into its lap and, in any event, won't be able to ask if the patient can't talk. It has ever been thus, and Covid 19 doesn't change it.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 10:59
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And we now have a tradie who knew he was positive, that has been working on a construction site for at least a week!!!
..if you can push a wheelbarrow all week with this “terrible affliction” without needing a day in bed..I’d rather catch it than a runny nose
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 11:15
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Originally Posted by mattyj View Post
..if you can push a wheelbarrow all week with this “terrible affliction” without needing a day in bed..I’d rather catch it than a runny nose
The point you seem seem to miss.. your ‘ runny nose ‘ could kill the person you pass it on to. What part of that don’t you understand ??
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 12:13
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post

and international border caps would remain, but inbound passenger caps, which were recently halved, would be restored back to around 6000 a week.
So no real difference for those of us on the “wrong side” of the border….

The current 50% cut is unsustainable and is lower than ANY POINT in the last 18 months.


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There would be a larger cap for vaccinated returning travellers coming to Australia in Phase B.
Let’s hope this actually happens. This is the only thing that will make the system “fair”.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 12:54
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Originally Posted by Foxxster View Post
Meanwhile, another study on blood clots from Pfizer versus AstraZeneca shows they both have the same rate. However, people getting Pfizer were on average older and had more underlying conditions so who knows…,I hope we don’t get a GREAT BIG SCARE CAMPAIGN against Pfizer now like we have had against AstraZeneca.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...udy-finds.html
A word of caution on that study, it looked at a sample that included 945,941 who had received at least one shot of the Pfizer BioNTech vaccine (778,534 with 2 doses), compared to 426,272 who had received the AstraZeneca vaccine. They are small samples when looking at such a relatively rare complication.
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 18:23
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The point you seem seem to miss.. your ‘ runny nose ‘ could kill the person you pass it on to. What part of that don’t you understand ??

well since the runny nose I was referring to was not Covid then it’s gonna be a whole new world for you brother
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 18:48
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
I like the part where vaccinated ppl get privileges, I wonder what they will be.
Yes with this passed on 21/6/2021.

https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2021B00078
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Old 30th Jul 2021, 19:04
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Well they’ve really made a rod for their own backs there. 70%? 80%?
The likelihood of achieving either of those figures seems pretty low given the complacency demonstrated so far. Let’s face it, Aussies are living in a cotton-wooled society now. Why take responsibility for yourself when you can do whatever you like without consequences?
Will be interesting to see how they back away from those targets when it becomes apparent they’re not happening. Fatal leadership error. March-April 2022 and the rate still sitting at less than 60% likely should make it an interesting election lead-up.

PS. I’m not disputing that these are the figures we need to get to but can’t see it happening- ever.



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Old 31st Jul 2021, 00:38
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Did anyone else notice something odd about that QLD press conference?

Gladys, Dan whenever they have their ms they always push for ppl to get vaccinated. I don’t think any of those QLD clams even mentioned go get vaccinated.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 01:32
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
Did anyone else notice something odd about that QLD press conference?

Gladys, Dan whenever they have their ms they always push for ppl to get vaccinated. I don’t think any of those QLD clams even mentioned go get vaccinated.
Probably saw what you wanted to see. Because young certainly did mention getting the shot. Sure the didn't repeat adnausium like other states

even linked to the time she said it

wierd links about 10 seconds early
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 01:44
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Well the time I watched it was never mentioned. She just blabbered on about LGAs and talking in circles.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 02:02
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I heard that the WA premier has already rejected the PMs plan and isn’t buying into the lockdown plan possibly more. Wonderful, when is the bloody politics going to stop. Rhetorical question there.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 02:24
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I heard that the WA premier has already rejected the PMs plan and isn’t buying into the lockdown plan possibly more. Wonderful, when is the bloody politics going to stop. Rhetorical question there.
Yep, pretty much...

Originally Posted by The ABC
WA Premier Mark McGowan says the state will reserve its right to enact lockdowns after national cabinet agreed on vaccination targets to progress to the next stage of the nation's COVID-19 roadmap.

But Mr McGowan said that would not necessarily change WA's approach. "Lockdowns would still be possible where needed," he said. "Lockdowns are, really, until we're all vaccinated, the only thing that works."
He also left out border lockouts, holding Citizens and families as economic hostages of his state, destroying families, preventing funerals or Citizen's attending funerals, playing politics with peoples mental health & making a mockery of the concept of a National Cabinet. They're all things he's done and appear to work too!
Originally Posted by The ABC
"When we hit the 80 per cent mark, lockdowns would only be for unusual circumstances in specific locations, but 80 per cent vaccination is very high," Mr McGowan said. "We still reserve the right to lockdown in specific locations if absolutely necessary."So it might be a country town, it might be a local government area, something of that nature."Source

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Old 31st Jul 2021, 02:42
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"Lockdowns are, really, until we're all vaccinated, the only thing that works."
Please define "ALL" Mr McGowan.
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Old 31st Jul 2021, 03:03
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McGowan will never admit it but truth is he doesn’t give a toss about the rest of Australia and nor do MOST of his voters.

WA is living the high life economically and it’s citizens have had a level of freedom unparalleled through all of this.

McGowan and his troops are in no rush to change anything. An uncontrollable outbreak is the only thing that will change their opinions/actions.
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