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Old 14th Mar 2021, 06:25
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It’s all elementary. Now that McGowan has won the election, watch the hardline approach to border closures soften, as they did for PalaceChook and Gunner after they won their respective elections. If anyone thinks the measures were primarily based on health outcomes and not political ones, they’re kidding themselves.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 06:43
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Originally Posted by brokenagain View Post
It’s all elementary. Now that McGowan has won the election, watch the hardline approach to border closures soften, as they did for PalaceChook and Gunner after they won their respective elections. If anyone thinks the measures were primarily based on health outcomes and not political ones, they’re kidding themselves.
Possibly, though currently being quoted as saying that "he will not hesitate to put the hard border back up", in reference to current Qld and NSW cases.

I'd have thought that there will be a softening anyway as target vaccination goals are achieved. October, maybe?
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 07:49
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Originally Posted by SHVC View Post
WA people have voted its crazy how this pandemic makes people think. The real questions is, what did they even vote for? Do they even know why they voted for him? What has McGowen actually done other than close up shop at a sniff of COVID. His whole time in office is made on closing his border not dealing with the problem. I would go as far as even saying Queen P is better at this guy at dealing with the pandemic.

Let’s say Corona virus doesn’t exist, What has he done in his time?
Delivered a budget surplus in 2019/2020 (ie pre-covid) and again in 2020/2021? That's generally seen as a pretty good thing. High employment. Hasn't spent time fighting pointless culture wars and defending alleged rapists - admittedly lately that's more a Federal Liberal thing, but it probably explains why Zac Kirkup hasn't seemed that keen for help from the Federal side lately, especially after the Feds briefly supported Clive Palmer's court challenges to force open the WA borders.

On the other hand, the local Liberals, having conceded the election a couple of weeks out, went to the polls arguing they should be supported locally with local candidates to prevent Labor having too much power, then put forward a bunch of religious nutters who have previously and publicly opposed gay marriage as being against god's wishes, and then refused to let those candidates answer questions when the media asked if they still held those views, among other counter-productive decisions.

If you want to get into really local issues, at my local polling booth yesterday, mid-morning, so with plenty of time still to vote, Labor and the Greens both had their volunteers handing out cards and talking to people. In contrast the Liberals had a pile of how-to-vote cards sitting on a table with a water bottle stopping them blowing away in the breeze, and no-one in sight. Even their own volunteers had given up!
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 09:36
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Originally Posted by brokenagain View Post
It’s all elementary. Now that McGowan has won the election, watch the hardline approach to border closures soften, as they did for PalaceChook and Gunner after they won their respective elections. If anyone thinks the measures were primarily based on health outcomes and not political ones, they’re kidding themselves.
It’s already happened. Only applying quarantine to those from NSW hotspots, not the entire state.

Counting hasn’t even finished in the election and the rhetoric has changed. You couldn’t make this shit up.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 10:21
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Yes, if this were two weeks ago hard border would of been raised over 1 case. ppl landing from NSW or QLD just being told they have to go into hotel gaol. McGowen is definitely a goose.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 11:10
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Looks like the voters of WA have been duped.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 11:46
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Originally Posted by neville_nobody View Post
Looks like the voters of WA have been duped.
Still wearing those shite-coloured glasses I see.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 11:55
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I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 12:15
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??
Pleeeeeeeeeeeease. Questioning of NSW ist verboten.
Just move along. Nothing to be seen here.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 19:56
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??
I asked the same thing yesterday(post 3960).
I didnt think they could work at more then 1 workplace?
No government can monitor their workers 24 hours a day but if the rules have been broken by this guy an explanation is needed,not an excuse!
The people working in these hotels need to take responsibility for their actions,hopefully this doesnt turn into something we dont need or want right now.
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Old 14th Mar 2021, 20:37
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
I don’t get it. The ‘ security guard’ that has sparked the latest out break in NSW was working a 2 different hotels, PLUS he has a full time office job. I thought this stuff had been stopped, and they were only allowed one job. Or have I missed something ??
"outbreak"? Its ONE case so far. Hardly an outbreak. Your description has just shown what brainwashing will do. The multiple jobs thing is bullshit. Should not be allowed. Yes, the west are stupid. So are the North, South, East and middle. If there's one thing this shit has shown me, it is what a bunch of dumbasses Australians really are. 'Baaaaaaaaaa'. F*&king morons.
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Old 15th Mar 2021, 01:07
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It seems to have gone unnoticed here, but as of today, all borders are open unrestricted across the country.

Lets see how long it lasts...
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Old 15th Mar 2021, 01:27
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Originally Posted by jrfsp View Post
It seems to have gone unnoticed here, but as of today, all borders are open unrestricted across the country.

Lets see how long it lasts...
A day after the WA election. How ironic. Now the WA CHO is talking to the media about 'hotspots' all of a sudden.

WA Chief Health Officer

But despite this: Federally controlled travel bubble with NZ

WA does this: The travel bubble between Australia and New Zealand is managed by the Commonwealth Government, and Western Australia is not included in this travel bubble.

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Old 15th Mar 2021, 02:27
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“Outbreak of one case”

Italy went from 1 case to 170,000 in 6 weeks; New York from 12 to 200,000 in less than 7 weeks.

We’re better prepared now but it can very quickly get away from us.

Probably not quite to our standard of medical care but, at the beginning of this year, Sri Lanka went from <10/day to nearly 1,000/day in a matter of weeks.
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Old 15th Mar 2021, 03:28
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Originally Posted by layman View Post
“Outbreak of one case”

Italy went from 1 case to 170,000 in 6 weeks; New York from 12 to 200,000 in less than 7 weeks.

We’re better prepared now but it can very quickly get away from us.

Probably not quite to our standard of medical care but, at the beginning of this year, Sri Lanka went from <10/day to nearly 1,000/day in a matter of weeks.
If we are not able to handle a small outbreak now without resorting to a full lockdown, the responsible state government should resign. Massive amounts have been spent on contact-tracing protocols that use a 3 ring approach to quarantine any potential outbreak. State Governments need to accept that a small outbreak does not constitute failure; it is reality. Even Victoria should be able to handle an outbreak of 30 to 50 cases now without panic and lockdown.
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Old 15th Mar 2021, 05:26
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Discussion is going on about a travel bubble with Singapore by July.

https://simpleflying.com/australia-s...travel-bubble/

Thailand is looking at no quarantine for vaccinated travellers around the same time.

The door may be slowly starting to crack open,

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Old 15th Mar 2021, 08:53
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Originally Posted by 1A_Please View Post
If we are not able to handle a small outbreak now without resorting to a full lockdown, the responsible state government should resign. Massive amounts have been spent on contact-tracing protocols that use a 3 ring approach to quarantine any potential outbreak. State Governments need to accept that a small outbreak does not constitute failure; it is reality. Even Victoria should be able to handle an outbreak of 30 to 50 cases now without panic and lockdown.
Exactly right!
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 00:28
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Blood clots found in 37 people out of 17 million recipients of AstraZeneca vaccine
A British virologist says international concerns about the AstraZeneca coronavirus vaccine causing blood clots must be put in perspective.

Associate professor Sterghios Moschos says 17 million people have received the AstraZeneca jab so far and blood clots have been found in just 37 recipients.

10 European nations have now suspended the AstraZeneca rollout, over Norwegian concerns about blood clots. Source
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1:8,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 1:850,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!
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Old 16th Mar 2021, 01:11
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 150,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!
Nebulous? Tenuous? One of the above.


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Old 16th Mar 2021, 03:24
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Originally Posted by KRviator View Post
I'm curious...

If 1 or 2 cases in NSW/Vic/SA is enough for WA to reintroduce their hard border what will be a sufficient number of cases for WA to halt the AZ vaccine rollout due to possible adverse side effects?
After all, 1 case in NSW is 1,500,000 people. Even two cases is 1:4,250,000. Call it 10 cases and that's definitely grounds for closing the WA border innit? So that's 150,000.

However blood clots have been reported in 37 people from 17,000,000 vaccinated. That's 1:460,000.

Reckon the WA CHO will "act with an abundance of caution" and call a stop to the AZ vaccine rollout? After, it needs to be seen in perspective. Can't go risking the health of their state from a couple of cases in a state of over 8 million, but potentially fatal clotting issues with a risk an order of magnitude higher?? No wuckka's mate!
I think you need to draw up two sets of numbers here. One for pre-election, and one for post-election.

On a side note, does this mean that the EU will let us have our shipment of AZ now?
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