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Old 9th Feb 2021, 05:29
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Kraviator - from one of the planners, not me; "We know we are going to have occasional outbreaks because perfect HQ is not statistically possible. We then have to rely on the contact tracing system to protect us."

Please also understand that all Premiers are acting on medical advice.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 05:50
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Hotel Quarantine WA


Members of the public are also welcome to book rooms at the Pan Pacific Perth, another quarantine hotel.

In a statement, a WA Health spokesperson confirmed two Perth quarantine hotels were open to the public, saying both had to "meet strict requirements" and ensure that "the hotel is clearly divided into two very separate areas".
WA Premier Mark McGowan said the use of quarantine hotels by members of the public had been "queried at length" with medical advisors, and the advice was that "it is not a risk".

More than 2 million people endured a snap five-day lockdown in Perth and surrounding areas last week.

The shutdown was sparked by a single case of coronavirus contracted by a young security guard working at the Four Points by Sheraton hotel.

A review into the breach is ongoing and WA Health Minister Roger Cook has now made it mandatory for all workers in high-risk areas of hotel security to wear masks and eye protection.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 05:56
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Perth Hyatt! How do divide this into 2 very separate areas?

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Old 9th Feb 2021, 06:02
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
Please also understand that all Premiers are acting on medical advice.
Iíd bet London to a brick that the medical advice would have been remote quarantine.

Their political masters will have told the experts thatís not happening, make do with what youíve got and provide Ďadviceí on the basis that hotel quarantine is the only option. Thatís their Ďmedical adviceí. I suspect some politicians are regretting that decision, except the Feds whoíve managed to duck their constitutional responsibility with flair and aplomb.

The Holiday Inn/ Travelodge was a dive when it opened in the 70ís. It would be well past its use by date now and I canít imagine the A/C would be up to scratch to prevent aerosol transmission either - as recent events would indicate all too well.

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Old 9th Feb 2021, 06:10
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Originally Posted by Potsie Weber
Perth Hyatt! How do divide this into 2 very separate areas?

Probably some warning tape across the divide...."do not cross", im sure the virus knows this
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 07:47
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Please also understand that all Premiers are acting on medical advice.
They are accepting medical advice that suits their political agenda. Anybody who trusts a politician in this environment is fool.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 08:30
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They are accepting medical advice that suits their political agenda. Anybody who trusts a politician in this environment is fool.
Only in this environment...............
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 09:12
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Remote quarantine, "controversial" a year ago...

"concerned about poor hygiene standards"

"too scared to touch their beds"


"worse than a prison"

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-...sland/11927300


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Old 9th Feb 2021, 09:28
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HQ is the problem. And it appears this new UK strain is showing positive after 16 days or more. Either we stop International Arrivals.. or we put them at isolated paces ( Christmas Island for example), for at least one month. 14 days it appears is no longer enough.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 09:31
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Originally Posted by Sunfish
Morno



Yes, I know very little about aviation having only worked for one airline and one defence/aerospace company apart from I.T, Government and the commercialization industry including sitting on the Board of a medical start up.

I received a private briefing from two key Covid investigators from the Peter Doherty Institute in March last year, the contents of which I shared on Pprune at the time which proved substantially correct.

The response I received then from one or two of your colleagues was exactly the same as yours.

If you continue to reject advice out of hand, no matter, or rather because of, the source, then you and your industry deserve your fate.

I still get tidbits, but I rarely share them.
Iíll take the official advice over something that a cranky old dude on pprune dishes out
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 14:36
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Originally Posted by SOPS
HQ is the problem. And it appears this new UK strain is showing positive after 16 days or more. Either we stop International Arrivals.. or we put them at isolated paces ( Christmas Island for example), for at least one month. 14 days it appears is no longer enough.
Why not go the whole hog and feed the 1 meal a day of gruel and replace hotel rooms with metal bars...
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 20:57
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Originally Posted by SOPS
HQ is the problem. And it appears this new UK strain is showing positive after 16 days or more. Either we stop International Arrivals.. or we put them at isolated paces ( Christmas Island for example), for at least one month. 14 days it appears is no longer enough.
Very unlikely cases beyond 14 days incubation are suddenly showing up in Australian hotel quarantine. As the Vic CHO said yesterday itís far more likely that the traveler was infected somehow during their last days of hotel quarantine and developed symptoms a few days out of quarantine.

Itís the hotel system that needs changing.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 21:04
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And once you've infected a healthy person during their stay in your quarantine hotel, do you then charge them for the following 3 weeks in quarantine / hospital?

Seems like an open door for a damages suit.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 21:13
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The government is charging a hotel quarantine fee to arriving passengers. As you say, the door is open for damages, wide enough to drive a bus full of lawyers through.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 21:33
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Originally Posted by DirectAnywhere
Iíd bet London to a brick that the medical advice would have been remote quarantine.

Their political masters will have told the experts thatís not happening, make do with what youíve got and provide Ďadviceí on the basis that hotel quarantine is the only option. Thatís their Ďmedical adviceí. I suspect some politicians are regretting that decision, except the Feds whoíve managed to duck their constitutional responsibility with flair and aplomb.

The Holiday Inn/ Travelodge was a dive when it opened in the 70ís. It would be well past its use by date now and I canít imagine the A/C would be up to scratch to prevent aerosol transmission either - as recent events would indicate all too well.

I heard an interview from an expert from ANU yesterday. He said remote quarantine was NOT feasible.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 22:27
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I heard an interview from an expert from ANU yesterday. He said remote quarantine was NOT feasible.
What?? You're saying there's an expert contradicting an expert?? No way champ. Doesn't fit the narrative.
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Take some time to read the breathtaking arrogance from someone who had over 800 people die from decisions he was responsible for

Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews has insisted his state won’t take as many returned travellers as NSW because his quarantine system has “higher standards”.

“This is not about boasting, it’s just a fact,” Premier Andrews told a press conference on Monday.

Victoria is due to increase its arrival limit from 1,120 to 1,310 next week in response to Prime Minister Scott Morrison ending a temporary reduction of numbers nationwide. However, these figures are substantially lower than NSW, which will return its cap to 3,010.

“We will have less capacity because we have a different model and I lead higher standards,” said Premier Andrews.

“I can say it because it’s true. And whether that’s convenient for people or not, is not really my concern. There’s not 3,500 private security working in our system. Do I need to go any further than that?

“If I was to align many of the criticisms that have been levied, over a long period of time, with what we do now, I’m very confident that we have a system that is worthy of being copied by others, and it is.

“If it was anything other than one of the best systems – the AMA over in WA were calling it the gold standard – they’re not terms I use, but that’s what they said, if it was anything other than a good system, then I doubt very much that the first ministers across the country would have agreed to copy it.

“It’s not a point of criticism of anyone else. They can speak to their systems. I’m simply making the point that we will not be getting to 3,000, because I don’t believe that 3,000 would be safe. That’s my judgment, and I’ll be accountable for that.”

Premier Andrews also listed the improvements made to the system following last year’s second wave of COVID cases that killed 801 people and is thought to have originated from the hotel quarantine system.

“We’ve ripped out the air conditioning in a number of these places and put new systems in, we’ve changed the way air flows, we rip up the carpet in all the common areas … so hallways for instance, and lino is put down so we can clean shared spaces where there could be a transmission to industrial standards,” he said.

“No one else does this. There’s 50 other points where we do things differently, sometimes significantly differently, sometimes it’s a smaller thing, but when you add all that together, it’s a very risk averse model.

“It needs to be, and I can’t rule out further changes.”

Nationwide, from 15 February, the new limits will be:
  • NSW 3,010 (now 1,505);
  • Queensland 1,000 (now 500);
  • Victoria 1,310 (now 1,120);
  • SA 530 (now 490);
  • WA 512 (now 512);
  • Total 6,362 (now 4,127).
In January, temporary cuts to the caps formed part of the biggest overhaul of the quarantine program since its inception, and also included a provision for passengers to wear masks on all domestic and international flights; for hotel staff to be tested daily and for ex-pats to require a negative result before boarding a repatriation flight.

Arrival caps were introduced in July and sat at 4,000, before increasing to 6,500 at the end of 2020 and then decreasing to just over 4,000 in January 2021.

Critics have argued limits have stopped Australians abroad being able to return home by reducing availability and increasing prices.
"I'm not having a go but......." What a load of horse****. Megalomainiac, narcissist, sociopath.

Also, you lot from other States wonder why NSW shakes their heads at you lot.

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Old 9th Feb 2021, 22:39
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Sticking healthy people in hotels with closed windows for 14 days and making them breathe recycled air with an airborne pathogen lurking is a recipe for disaster.

This is not going to end anytime soon.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 22:39
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Originally Posted by McLimit
Take some time to read the breathtaking arrogance from someone who had over 800 people die from decisions he was responsible for



"I'm not having a go but......." What a load of horse****. Megalomainiac, narcissist, sociopath.

You lot from other States wonder why NSW shakes their heads at you lot.
Bro, almost anyone in the industry thinks he is a f#}kwit. Our thoughts wonít stop him getting re-elected though.
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Old 9th Feb 2021, 22:47
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I know mate, but finally that ****wit is putting on paper how much of an a-hole he is. Meanwhile, the 'I stand with Dan' lemmings will ensure he remains in power for some time to come.

Bro, almost anyone in the industry thinks he is a f#}kwit. Our thoughts won’t stop him getting re-elected though.
Except Sunfish, he loves him
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