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GT might be some of what you accuse him of.
one thing he is not is an anonymous unidentifiable germ like yourself.
everyone important is still on holiday...................
Oh well, can’t be important then!
What a load of the proverbial!
If it was really important then AJ, not some ladder climber, would sit down with AIPA president with a schnitzel sandwich from the market place and work it out before Christmas!
Instead come up with another offer for the SHEA which should have been done long ago saving money on the wasted resources spent so far on dead end proposals.
Just get it down and move on!
Its like comedy hour at Pumpkin Creek!
What a load of the proverbial!
If it was really important then AJ, not some ladder climber, would sit down with AIPA president with a schnitzel sandwich from the market place and work it out before Christmas!
Instead come up with another offer for the SHEA which should have been done long ago saving money on the wasted resources spent so far on dead end proposals.
Just get it down and move on!
Its like comedy hour at Pumpkin Creek!
Might make Sunrise more achievable if they led with this sort of leadership.
Delta has announced that 90,000 staff will receive a bonus representing 2 months salary in a 1.6 billion handout to be paid on Valentine’s Day
The only employees excluded form the profit-sharing plan are the company's officers, directors and general managers, although they are set to receive their own performance-based bonuses.
senior pilots will receive USD $42,000 plus
The CEO stated that Delta would be nothing without our 90,000 people they deserve all the credit
Delta has announced that 90,000 staff will receive a bonus representing 2 months salary in a 1.6 billion handout to be paid on Valentine’s Day
The only employees excluded form the profit-sharing plan are the company's officers, directors and general managers, although they are set to receive their own performance-based bonuses.
senior pilots will receive USD $42,000 plus
The CEO stated that Delta would be nothing without our 90,000 people they deserve all the credit
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Surely Dragon, after all the concerns that are expressed above re fatigue, human factors and family life you aren't suggesting that principled Qantas pilots would sell out just for more of the filthy lucre?
Tsk tsk tsk........
Tsk tsk tsk........
Delta has announced that 90,000 staff will receive a bonus representing 2 months salary in a 1.6 billion handout...
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Delta's philosophy was traditionally to pay more than many others and foster a culture more conducive to not requiring union presence.
That isn't necessarily the case anymore as the mode of relationship is more adversarial and as a result, employees seek representation.
That a bonus is being spread among the employees is likely due the fact that airlines are a big team sport.
Not that Fort Fumble sees it that way; They sit at the hostile end of the IR spectrum
I shall have to agree with you on this one D.
Why companies in Oz/rest of the world can’t value employees befuddles me. Especially in a service industry where happy people at the pointy end can save thousands and happy people in the rear make the pax love the experience.
Feeling valued as an employee generally makes one willing to go to many lengths for the company.
Why companies in Oz/rest of the world can’t value employees befuddles me. Especially in a service industry where happy people at the pointy end can save thousands and happy people in the rear make the pax love the experience.
Feeling valued as an employee generally makes one willing to go to many lengths for the company.
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Global Aviation -Because thats how we did it in the past, we can't stop now!
In all seriousness, the adversarial die has been cast long ago. Almost every new pilot and every new manager turn up on day 1 with a reasonable attitude towards win-win outcomes. Unfortunately the weight of history progressively corrodes and hardens the attitude towards an us-against-them mentality on both sides. Fuelling the mix, is the heady bonus short-term culture that sees grabbing a dollar now as so much more valuable than saving $10 in a couple of years time.
Pilots resent the bonuses, watching managers throwing proverbial floorboards on the fire to power the boiler today, and consequently chaff at the bit to show the executives a lesson or two.
It would take at least a generation of patient love and attention from management to begin to heal this thing. The only other alternatively a complete reset from zero. Even then, I'm not sure a new management team could resist the temptation plunder, and begin thus the vicious cycle again.
In all seriousness, the adversarial die has been cast long ago. Almost every new pilot and every new manager turn up on day 1 with a reasonable attitude towards win-win outcomes. Unfortunately the weight of history progressively corrodes and hardens the attitude towards an us-against-them mentality on both sides. Fuelling the mix, is the heady bonus short-term culture that sees grabbing a dollar now as so much more valuable than saving $10 in a couple of years time.
Pilots resent the bonuses, watching managers throwing proverbial floorboards on the fire to power the boiler today, and consequently chaff at the bit to show the executives a lesson or two.
It would take at least a generation of patient love and attention from management to begin to heal this thing. The only other alternatively a complete reset from zero. Even then, I'm not sure a new management team could resist the temptation plunder, and begin thus the vicious cycle again.
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It would take at least a generation of patient love and attention from management to begin to heal this thing
There is an abundance of those with inadequate character and stature.
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I shall have to agree with you on this one D.
Why companies in Oz/rest of the world can’t value employees befuddles me. Especially in a service industry where happy people at the pointy end can save thousands and happy people in the rear make the pax love the experience.
Feeling valued as an employee generally makes one willing to go to many lengths for the company.
Why companies in Oz/rest of the world can’t value employees befuddles me. Especially in a service industry where happy people at the pointy end can save thousands and happy people in the rear make the pax love the experience.
Feeling valued as an employee generally makes one willing to go to many lengths for the company.
It makes complete sense to treat people with respect. It costs nothing.
Having constructed empires to drive an IR agenda has been a life's work for Ian Oldmeadow and Sue Bussell.
Combine it with a dulllard of a chair and an individual lacking stature and it becomes an almost perfect storm; conflating IR ideology with an untested IR statute.
One can imagine Hudson Fysh and Paul Mc Guiness being rather disappointed with the modern corporate ethic.
Qantas now is Qantas then in name only.
One can imagine those men having survived what they did, using reserves of strength and humanity to build something.
It is a testament to people's resilience.
That part of Qantas still evident today, unfortunately it is nowhere near the C suite.
That part of Qantas is the bit the travelling public still see: Those people, at the customer interface, working the public holidays, trying to hold it all together against a tide of virtue signalling, self enrichment narcissism emanating from Fort Fumble.
You are right, it doesn't have to be like that, but as Curtain Twitcher rightly says, they would have to spend a lot of love and time to disarm an empire built on taking a team sport and turning it against itself.
There is neither the talent nor maturity in the C suite at Qantas to acknowledge the perfect inadequacy of the system over which they preside.
A comment made to me by a wheel in management last week “2020 will be a bad year for Qantas pilots”.
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A comment made to me by a wheel in management last week “2020 will be a bad year for Qantas pilots”.
Which jellyfish made that comment?
A wheel?
I can think of a hail stone, rain man, best and less, and the blind man but no wheel.
Question
Are the objections to Sunrise fatigue or money?
1. Would you fly the flights for the same money if the fatigue issue was solved?
2. Would you fly the flights if they offer you a shed load of cash and forget about the fatigue?
Or do you want both?
Are the objections to Sunrise fatigue or money?
1. Would you fly the flights for the same money if the fatigue issue was solved?
2. Would you fly the flights if they offer you a shed load of cash and forget about the fatigue?
Or do you want both?
But it should also reflect the reality of the above and allow the individual an informed choice to opt into it.