Project Sunrise
Why do you think Qantas have a fatigue management system and a base in Perth to allow less time changes to Europe. IMO
an increase over 900 is coming. It’s not if but when.
an increase over 900 is coming. It’s not if but when.
Money aside, pure lifestyle which I have brought up.
Sunrise = 23 duty hours each way (rounded up?) = 46 return.
Am I correct in that your bid period is 6 weeks? Not that one wants to fly max hours in a year but call it 800 hours allowing for sim and the current etc.
800 / 46 = 17 trips a year or in your 6 weeks a maximum of 3 trips.
Now is each trip is 6 days, that’s 18 days duty for 6 weeks. Would that not be enough recovery time between trips? You could become a marathon runner with the time off or an alcoholic down the local, personal choice.
Yes would also have to factor in additional sims for landing currency.
What am I missing? Yes brutal time zone changes, jet lag. However work 18 days in 6 weeks?
I have probably over simplified. Now ducking for cover.
Oh would you not fight fo say it’s sunrise flying only, no other Asia trips, etc?
Sunrise = 23 duty hours each way (rounded up?) = 46 return.
Am I correct in that your bid period is 6 weeks? Not that one wants to fly max hours in a year but call it 800 hours allowing for sim and the current etc.
800 / 46 = 17 trips a year or in your 6 weeks a maximum of 3 trips.
Now is each trip is 6 days, that’s 18 days duty for 6 weeks. Would that not be enough recovery time between trips? You could become a marathon runner with the time off or an alcoholic down the local, personal choice.
Yes would also have to factor in additional sims for landing currency.
What am I missing? Yes brutal time zone changes, jet lag. However work 18 days in 6 weeks?
I have probably over simplified. Now ducking for cover.
Oh would you not fight fo say it’s sunrise flying only, no other Asia trips, etc?
On the Long haul contract it’s the longer of
The flight hours
The flight hours plus a night credit for back of clock arduous duty.
or
MDC of 5:30 a day. MDC won’t bump up the credit on Sunrise as trips won’t be long enough and flight hours high.
The 787 contract has night credits on Asia flying and MDC on longer patterns like JFK via LAX or long slips in LAX or SFO.
It is pure flight hours on shorter trips PER-LHR and BNE-ORD or any USA slips less 60 hours. On these types of sectors as a 787 pilot we will have to fly an extra trip a roster as we lost the night fatigue credit. On a HKG or a JFK with a LAX stopover or a long slip LAX or SFO we get the same credit as the 747/380.
Some win some lose. Sunrise under a 787 style contract would lose on every sector as it’s all Ultra long haul.
They don't need me to give them ideas, they surely have future campaigns in mind.The media are already primed to payout on the pilots if this current campaign does not go ahead. Look how successful the media pile on was in 1989 with Hawke leading the orchestra.
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Sorry your Totally wrong. You used the full duty hours and that’s not how’s it’s calculated. It’s also an 8 week roster so that’s also incorrect.
On the Long haul contract it’s the longer of
The flight hours
The flight hours plus a night credit for back of clock arduous duty.
or
MDC of 5:30 a day. MDC won’t bump up the credit on Sunrise as trips won’t be long enough and flight hours high.
The 787 contract has night credits on Asia flying and MDC on longer patterns like JFK via LAX or long slips in LAX or SFO.
It is pure flight hours on shorter trips PER-LHR and BNE-ORD or any USA slips less 60 hours. On these types of sectors as a 787 pilot we will have to fly an extra trip a roster as we lost the night fatigue credit. On a HKG or a JFK with a LAX stopover or a long slip LAX or SFO we get the same credit as the 747/380.
Some win some lose. Sunrise under a 787 style contract would lose on every sector as it’s all Ultra long haul.
And to rub salt into the wound on every sector on the 787 based on flight hours you are paid nothing for sign on and sign off. They didn’t tell you that before you voted for the last EBA.
Sorry your Totally wrong. You used the full duty hours and that’s not how’s it’s calculated. It’s also an 8 week roster so that’s also incorrect.
On the Long haul contract it’s the longer of
The flight hours
The flight hours plus a night credit for back of clock arduous duty.
or
MDC of 5:30 a day. MDC won’t bump up the credit on Sunrise as trips won’t be long enough and flight hours high.
The 787 contract has night credits on Asia flying and MDC on longer patterns like JFK via LAX or long slips in LAX or SFO.
It is pure flight hours on shorter trips PER-LHR and BNE-ORD or any USA slips less 60 hours. On these types of sectors as a 787 pilot we will have to fly an extra trip a roster as we lost the night fatigue credit. On a HKG or a JFK with a LAX stopover or a long slip LAX or SFO we get the same credit as the 747/380.
Some win some lose. Sunrise under a 787 style contract would lose on every sector as it’s all Ultra long haul.
And to rub salt into the wound on every sector on the 787 based on flight hours you are paid nothing for sign on and sign off. They didn’t tell you that before you voted for the last EBA.
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Isn't part of the Sunrise plan to also use the plane on shorter routes like HKG, LAX, TYO etc? Hence the desire for a ULH-capable plane that is also economic on shorter routes.
Isn't part of the Sunrise plan to also use the plane on shorter routes like HKG, LAX, TYO etc? Hence the desire for a ULH-capable plane that is also economic on shorter routes.
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And to rub salt into the wound on every sector on the 787 based on flight hours you are paid nothing for sign on and sign off. They didn’t tell you that before you voted for the last EBA.
And to rub salt into the wound on every sector on the 787 based on flight hours you are paid nothing for sign on and sign off.
They didn’t tell you that before you voted for the last EBA.
Am I misunderstanding your post?
No you hit the nail on the head you used to get paid it before via overtime. Now no overtime therefore no payment for sign on and sign off.
Qantas Hopes Boeing Will Make The 797 NMA
https://simpleflying.com/qantas-boeing-797-nma/"Qantas is eyeing Boeing’s new midsize aircraft 797 NMA as a possible replacement for its short haul fleet. But Boeing’s NMA still remains very much in the conceptual stages. It might be a long wait for Qantas. Nonetheless, in comments published yesterday, Qantas CEO, Alan Joyce said he was hoping the NMA went into production."
Then QF will wait another 8 years after production begins, take delivery of line number 700, and then act as if they are the first airline in the world ever to operate the "new game changer".
Ok it’s out now. AIPA have done a deal with no removal of the night credits everything else stands, 5 year freeze, new SOs even on the 380 on 787 money, no cockpit toilet , standard manufactures crew rest , 4 man crew, no additional pay for an increase in flight deck duty time of 40%, fleet pay based on the 787 locked in for ever, once the 330/380 goes that’s it 787 hourly rate regardless of the aircraft. No seperate transport at destination so wait around for cabin crew who have checked bags. Vote this one up after the previous con and I’ll shake my head in disbelief.
Ok it’s out now. AIPA have done a deal with no removal of the night credits everything else stands, 5 year freeze, new SOs even on the 380 on 787 money, no cockpit toilet , standard manufactures crew rest , 4 man crew, no additional pay for an increase in flight deck duty time of 40%, fleet pay based on the 787 locked in for ever, once the 330/380 goes that’s it 787 hourly rate regardless of the aircraft. No seperate transport at destination so wait around for cabin crew who have checked bags. Vote this one up after the previous con and I’ll shake my head in disbelief.
Where is this “out” Dragon Man?
Seems PM (aka dm?) and his gang are trying to stir up trouble. For what purpose, I guess we will never know as they have chosen to not highlight our platform. Sounds honourable.
The only thing we are entitled to is walk out of here with our heads held hi to try and stop lunatics from selling out a great contract. You want to except a 40% increase in productivity plus fleet pay based on the smallest aircraft in long haul for ever , go for it.