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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 15:56
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
Under current laws one of those options is legal and the other is not.
What are you on about?
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Old 2nd Dec 2019, 20:11
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I suspect he means that PIA is OK but a strike is not
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 04:25
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Originally Posted by strobes_on View Post
I suspect he means that PIA is OK but a strike is not
​​​​​​A "Strike" is just the old term for industrial action..
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Old 3rd Dec 2019, 23:16
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A "Strike" is just the old term for industrial action..
No its not :
Strike action, also called labor strike, labour strike, or simply strike, is a work stoppage, caused by the mass refusal of employees to work.
(Wikipedia)

Which is why PIA is legal under very restrictive criteria and "going on strike" is illegal.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 00:08
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
No its not : (Wikipedia)

Which is why PIA is legal under very restrictive criteria and "going on strike" is illegal.
A stoppage of work be it stand-alone periods or consecutive 4 / 24 hour periods = the definition of a STRIKE and you donít get paid for it.

ďProtectedĒ just means itís ratified as an approved action by the FWC.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 01:14
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The original statement was that a strike was the old term for industrial action. It is not, a strike means the withdrawal of labour. The phrase "going on strike" was used when labour was withdrawn with little or no prior notice. I think a lot of younger people have never seen what going on strike actually looked like. Not a criticism but the fact that they haven't seen it is a result of the tightening of industrial laws since the Accord.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 06:37
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Jetstar going the extra yard I believe to get any AIPA members on long term sick leave back to work. I wonder why?
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 07:48
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80 odd Aipa members arenít going to do much.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 08:04
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Originally Posted by Lookleft View Post
No its not : (Wikipedia)

Which is why PIA is legal under very restrictive criteria and "going on strike" is illegal.
https://www.fwc.gov.au/industrial-ac...ustrial-action

"Industrial action where there is a failure or refusal by employees to attend for work, or a failure or refusal to perform any work at all by employees who attend for work, is historically known as a strike."

Anyway - I have heard AIPA is still negotiating with Jetstar, how can they bring a solution with so few members?
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 08:07
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Originally Posted by LostontheLOC View Post
https://www.fwc.gov.au/industrial-ac...ustrial-action

"Industrial action where there is a failure or refusal by employees to attend for work, or a failure or refusal to perform any work at all by employees who attend for work, is historically known as a strike."

Anyway - I have heard AIPA is still negotiating with Jetstar, how can they bring a solution with so few members?
They want to appear to be doing something, anything. Like a duck paddling madly against the tide and going no where.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 08:35
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They don’t think they can reach a settlement based on AIPA members but the Company love a fractured pilot group so would like nothing better than AIPA members bending the ear of other pilots talking up what a great deal they have.
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Old 4th Dec 2019, 09:00
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Originally Posted by Ollie Onion View Post
They donít think they can reach a settlement based on AIPA members but the Company love a fractured pilot group so would like nothing better than AIPA members bending the ear of other pilots talking up what a great deal they have.
Interesting times no doubt. First time I believe that there has been a large shift towards single union membership in JQ's negotiations. AIPA numbers are inflated due to the many who have retained dual membership because of LOL complications. I don't see them having a role to play in future negotiations. What can the company offer them thats going to sway the rest of the pilot group? Free lanyards?
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 05:42
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So it seems the ground crews will be causing the disruptions this month, the AFAP are not taking action until next month as they did with TT.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 07:03
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Looks like the first actions are happening on the 14th this month, continuing for the week after that.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 07:40
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Red Ties

4 hour wearing of RED TIES. That will show them!!!!!!!!!!!

errrrrrrr no

This afternoon, the AFAP provided notice to the Company that PIA will commenceon Saturday 14 December in the form of the following bans/actions:

1. A four (4) hour stoppage of all work from:
  • 0459 - 0859 local time on Saturday 14th and Sunday 15 December for Narrow Body pilots.
  • 1430 Ė 1830 local time on Saturday 14th December for Wide Body pilots.
  • 0930 Ė 1330 local time on Sunday 15th December for Wide Body pilots.
2. A ban on working on any of the following days:
  • designated days off;
  • duty free days;
  • annual leave days; and
  • long service leave days.
3. A ban on answering phone calls from Jetstar crewing except whilst on standby or during a reassignable contactable period as stipulated in clause 15.1.4 and 15.2.7 of the Roster Protocol.

4. A ban on the performance of any duty that is not on a pilotís originally published roster, excluding rostered standby.

5. A ban on extending a single or multi-day tour of duty beyond the times stipulated in clause 15 of the Roster Protocol.

These bans (except for the 4-hour stoppages) will initially run until 2359 on 20 December 2019.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 10:00
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Originally Posted by wheels_down View Post
So it seems the ground crews will be causing the disruptions this month, the AFAP are not taking action until next month as they did with TT.
Should be interesting to watch. My guess (from prev experience) is the standard lockout of employees and replacement with strike-breakers.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 10:14
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Good luck everyone, I am watching with interest.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 10:33
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Good Lord, if they're going to trot the moron out that was on the news tonight to dis-credit you, you've got it won.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 10:50
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Originally Posted by Wasi Wasamadroota View Post
4 hour wearing of RED TIES. That will show them!!!!!!!!!!!

errrrrrrr no
What manufactured crisis can Fort Fumble generate?

First class travel, kamikaze and massages...
With zero wage growth and an explosion of personal debt, people broadly are tapped out.
Robber barons like Alan Joyce's $24 million is not a good optic.
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Old 6th Dec 2019, 11:08
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This is perfect Jetstar, Shorthaul both EBA’s rejected and LH in a shit spin, this is where we want it, PIA about to happen in Jetstar, I’d suggest agree to nothing and keep these bastards in the lurch, United we win. Hopefully some PIA from shorthaul to reduce their options. If we all stand together we will slaughter them, it’s basic maths, not masters ��
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