Jetstar EBA 2019
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okay boomer
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This new saying has got to be one of the dumbest comments to make in a debate. It is pretty arrogant to disregard an entire generation due to their age. Labor tried it earlier this year and lost an election because of it.
And no, I’m not a boomer.
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This new saying has got to be one of the dumbest comments to make in a debate. It is pretty arrogant to disregard an entire generation due to their age. Labor tried it earlier this year and lost an election because of it.
And no, I’m not a boomer.
What was this thread about again?
I wonder why Jetstar did not object to the AFAP’s Fair Work application for a PIA ballot?
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Because they are not concerned by it. They will already have contigency plans in place for whatever is agreed to. Remember that all that has happened is that the AFAP has been given legal approval to have a ballot conducted of what form the PIA is to take. If the JQ AFAP pilots think that they will be walking off the job and teaching JQ Management a lesson then they don't understand that the current industrial system is skewed entirely in managements favour. All that will happen at the end of the PIA will be the union reps will sit down with the company reps and the first word spoken will be "Right where were we?"
Fair Work is fair in name only..
Kabuki theatre the lot of it.
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With PIA approved by FWA, Jetstar will probably not want to continue talking with the AFAP until the action is either over or cancelled beforehand. I believe PIA voting requirements mean it could get up with a relatively small number of yes votes.
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Because they are not concerned by it. They will already have contigency plans in place for whatever is agreed to. Remember that all that has happened is that the AFAP has been given legal approval to have a ballot conducted of what form the PIA is to take. If the JQ AFAP pilots think that they will be walking off the job and teaching JQ Management a lesson then they don't understand that the current industrial system is skewed entirely in managements favour. All that will happen at the end of the PIA will be the union reps will sit down with the company reps and the first word spoken will be "Right where were we?"
PIA isn't about 'teaching JQ a lesson'. Its about trying to beat some common sense into a set of very recalcitrant executives who view JQ as their own personal ATM machine, pocketing vast sums of money previously earned by the people who do the actual work. The effects of the payfreeze will be felt compounding for the rest of peoples careers, and in the meantime crew are expected to operate the largest narrow body fleet of any airline in the country, most passengers, longest sectors, most sectors, fewest days off and highest approach capability (soon to include 0.1 RNP) , all for the lowest pay by a mile.
What is being asked for is hardly unreasonable. Indeed, should the company offer what they have been running around telling the media in a blatantly dishonest smear campaign, ie, 305k for 75 hours a month, the whole EBA would be signed within a week.
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Well that’s exactly it. I thought that was going to play out at Tiger. How we were very wrong.
They were hostile and didn’t give in at all to Tiger. I had not seen this sort of behaviour before. I think it’s a fair statement that Pilots at the low cost carriers in this country have been taken for a ride of late. There was no negotiation. What they asked for from the get go was essentially given to them, albeit a few minor tweaks as expected. It was very simple. This is what we are after, if not it’s PIA. This occurred each meeting. I think they were up to 10 strikes at this points and 10 million in the red.
The same language and activity is happening here so I’m quite confident Simon will get this one across the line also.
Simon is very clear in that Jetstar are the lowest paid drivers in this country. I can’t see him signing a deal that maintains this argument.
You need to to start looking past all the QF rubbish that has occurred across the years. I sense fear in many voices on here in regards to taking on the company in trying to get this across the line?
You need to start playing like a Tiger, not acting like a Kangaroo.
They were hostile and didn’t give in at all to Tiger. I had not seen this sort of behaviour before. I think it’s a fair statement that Pilots at the low cost carriers in this country have been taken for a ride of late. There was no negotiation. What they asked for from the get go was essentially given to them, albeit a few minor tweaks as expected. It was very simple. This is what we are after, if not it’s PIA. This occurred each meeting. I think they were up to 10 strikes at this points and 10 million in the red.
The same language and activity is happening here so I’m quite confident Simon will get this one across the line also.
Simon is very clear in that Jetstar are the lowest paid drivers in this country. I can’t see him signing a deal that maintains this argument.
You need to to start looking past all the QF rubbish that has occurred across the years. I sense fear in many voices on here in regards to taking on the company in trying to get this across the line?
You need to start playing like a Tiger, not acting like a Kangaroo.
Well you’re clearly an AIPA member!
What you said is exactly what DIDNT happen in the last round.
What you said is exactly what DIDNT happen in the last round.
And you are clearly an AFAP member, there you go one all. So tell us from your side of the fence what you think will happen? What would type of PIA would you like to see and what do you want to see as a result of it? From what I have seen from those agitating for PIA they just want to vent and let of steam because AJ gets 24m a year! No one has said or discussed what they want to be the result of PIA they just want PIA. After the PIA the agreement still has to be finalised and from what I can tell that stage hasn't been reached. So what happens after PIA and you don't like the agreement, do you then go through the laborious process of applying for PIA again? Just to be clear no Jetstar pilot is going on strike over Christmas be they AFAP or AIPA so the question is, what is the point?
If JQ management have some sh!t sandwich they want to the crew to swallow with the rollout of this fleet, they will want an agreement quickly before it arrives. No good having an open EBA that could allow the troops to facilitate conditions that doesn't fit with the business model. Thus it will force Jq management to come up something quickly.
Other option (more likely) this will drag out as a protracted, 'greedy pilots,' 'we can't afford,' 'the QF wages policy,' 'headwinds on the horizon,' 'rising fuel costs,' 'Lionair are coming,' 'Air asia are coming,' 'unsustainable claims' and so on we've all heard before.
If you were only half listening to the crew, I would probably agree with you that
"No one has said or discussed what they want to be the result of PIA they just want PIA'
The company negotiators are utter muppets that have no authority, bargaining ability or say in any future of the agreement. They are merely there is stalwarts who aren't actually allowed to make any decisions, hence the reaction that your getting from the crew.
So what happens after PIA and you don't like the agreement, do you then go through the laborious process of applying for PIA again?
I think most people are expecting to get locked out, as AJ has done before. If they aren't, they should be.
The QF dispute was put to bed after FWA conceded 'fears that an extended period of grounding would do significant damage to the national economy, especially with regards to the tourism and mining sectors.' I highly doubt the same could be said for JQ, but hey you never know.
however if you have a listen to the rest of the story, it would reveal that most people just want the company to negotiate fairly and without the bulls!t QF policies that have been made up on the fly and are only there when convenient to disadvantage. If its ever a QF policy to our advantage, the answer is 'No, your low cost.' The company negotiators are utter muppets that have no authority, bargaining ability or say in any future of the agreement. They are merely there is stalwarts who aren't actually allowed to make any decisions, hence the reaction that your getting from the crew.
Here’s an idea for your PIA , wear orange ties and orange armbands and make inane PA’s to the passengers .
It worked for mainline didn’t it ?
It worked for mainline didn’t it ?
Let us vote on it first, then you can all throw rocks from the keyboard. It’ll be in the paper 38 seconds later anyway, just look for the title announcing a jq strike is imminent. 
just look for the title announcing a jq strike is imminent.
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Yep but if you look at the Fair Work Act Division 6—Suspension or termination of protected industrial action by the FWC then you can get a bit of an understanding why the PIA taken by pilots is very limited in scope. The economic harm that a CEO can inflict however is not covered. So the call for "strike action" is merely 70's rhetoric as it has effectively been made illegal and the FWC has the power to stop it.So my question still is, what industrial action do JQ pilots want to take that they think will be effective in getting management to change their mind about the log of claims?