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Old 5th Apr 2017, 08:31
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I think HR are playing some sort of discriminating game behind the scenes and I have good reason as to why.

A lot of internal applicants didn't get in, which I know for a fact. This is puzzling as they are already doing the same job, just wearing different uniforms and in most cases working a lot harder than Qantas mainline pilots and on poorer conditions/EBA's.

The initial aptitude testing was unnecessarily difficult, and i believe the reason for that is if everyone does poorly, they (QF HR) can cherry-pick whoever the want and don't want just by saying 'Hey sorry you didn't pass the required standard' when in reality, no one would have passed some sort of a standard as it was so ridiculously hard!

The fact that a lot of airlines within the Qantas group are short on pilots, would suggest that it isn't in mainlines interest to be hiring across internally because it will cost them more with re-training the internal person and then hiring someone to fill that persons original spot and then initial training the near hiree, so 2 times training. While hiring externally just means one lot of training for the new person and the internal guys stay where they are. Win-win except for the internal employees (but who cares about the pilots eyy nothing new here).

I think there are grounds for discrimination, especially as I know actually one guy who got the highest air force testing score in the state a while ago and has since been flying RPT internally for the Qantas group for multiple years (ended up not going through military route) and this person was knocked back before the interview stage for not passing the set standard on the TalentIQ with Qantas?? I mean seriously it's complete rubbish, an absolute joke and my example proves it.

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Old 5th Apr 2017, 10:18
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Your mate is going to have to resign, get into another airline then see what happens with QF if he wants to test that theory.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 10:29
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Originally Posted by who_cares View Post
Well I was an internal applicant. Progressed all the way to the executive review panel, I received the dreaded no email not long after the panel review. It will be interesting to get the feedback as to why I wasn't suitable for the position.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
I would be very suprised if you get any feedback.
The risk of lawsuits for discrimination is too great.
"You are not competitive at this time" seem to be the usual spiel, unchanged for over 30 years.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 11:13
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The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
Well that sucks...sends a good message to anyone who takes a QF subsidiary, but ultimately has their eyes on the bigger prize.

Are there any external applicants still waiting for an update since completing the video etc?
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 11:26
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Hope you are well.

I am writing to provide you with an update on the Second Officer recruitment process you have been participating in. Unfortunately on this occasion we will not be progressing your application further. I appreciate this is very disappointing news, and we will be booking in a feedback discussion with you in the coming weeks to discuss further.

You will be eligible to reapply in 12 months’ time.

Thank you for taking the time to meet with us and your interest in Qantas Mainline.

That is the email I received, doesn't say it will be honest feedback I guess. One thing though I don't intend to be in the QANTAS group in 12 months time.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 11:46
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Originally Posted by Flyboy1987 View Post
Will you get feedback?

Does anyone actually know what Recruiters are after? Heard a lot of stories of people progressing through all stages, giving good references and then getting a no, and these people were genuinely good, hard working guys and girls?

Why progress someone onto the sim and then cull them perhaps due to an earlier stage of testing?

Is there a limit on the amount they put on hold?
I don't think HR even know what they are looking for. Empathy and ego maturity seems to be the buzz words going around...
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 14:08
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You left out 'customer focus' amateur. I've a few other thoughts on the capabilities being assessed but I've already provided feedback on those and I'll let the internal processes run their course on that feedback for the time being.

As far as I know the internals are getting feedback as to how they scored in whatever elements they were assessed in. If they did the interview I think they get feedback on that as well as their initial psychometric stuff. I'm not sure of how in depth it is.

That some are captains in their respective regional, flying in the same uniform as mainline captains, in aircraft with the same livery except for the addition of the word 'link' down the side (or sometimes nothing extra in the case of Jetconnect, whom I understand are now permitted to operate VH registered aircraft) and can be deemed ineligible for a S/O role is a point not lost on the pilots within the recruitment process. I suspect the point is lost on many others though.

Who cares, can I ask how you're sure you got to exec review? As far as I'm aware it's a de-identified process so those execs involved in the process don't know the names of who they're reviewing. My understanding was all they saw was scores and comments about the candidate. Feel free to PM if you like. Either way, I'm not sure if the group comprehends that like you, many of those the process has deemed unsuitable won't be around to reapply in 12 months. Good luck either way.
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 22:09
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Originally Posted by EY_Airbus View Post
Well that sucks...sends a good message to anyone who takes a QF subsidiary, but ultimately has their eyes on the bigger prize.

Are there any external applicants still waiting for an update since completing the video etc?
I've heard diddly since the merry Xmas email...
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Old 5th Apr 2017, 22:43
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As much as I was criticised by many, the reality is that HR dominates the recruitment process. Those of us who have worked for airlines in the operational side know that there is a chasm been operational and corporate BS. What is being witnessed at QF is HR dominance of process. The process won't improve, it is captured.

There are other airlines! Qantas long ago ceased to be a premier carrier, its withdrawal from international routes and an exponential growth of the very opaque JQ model, is, despite their narrative, very poorly performing. The good news for those pilots who have witnessed the 'recruitment' process with mainline first hand, you are not alone. Qantas is merely a huge bureaucracy, with a small airline attached who destroyed itself fighting internal wars. A student of the corporation knows that no nothing management, usually abandons proven business models divesting away from core competency. Growing back office overhead is a sure sign a company has lost its way.

Demographics enforces the notion that pilots are a strategic asset, QF are yet to learn this, their HR/IR model is is control presently. Those airlines who are focused on the core, which has always been the flying operations, recognise that attracting a high calibre pilot is a vital cornerstone of their strategic plan. Fortunately demographics will help those cast aside by QF recruiting practice, that there are plenty of viable options.

Adversarial industrial relation models and high back office overhead, the likes of which QF focus on, will not serve them well attracting 'talent'. Quite often now the only advantage QF has left is Australian residence. Foreign airlines, as demographics really bite them will provide commutable options for Australian pilots.

Qantas focused its whole attention on JQ, losing a decade on a business model that relies on high volume to make anything. It's architecture was IR, to undermine arbitrated outcomes.

Whilst it may appear cold comfort now to those struggling with the dreaded email, Qantas is anything other than 'transformed' there are plenty of other options that do not mean sub standard conditions aggressive management and a stalled career path that many pilots at Qantas suffered. Cast a wider net it will provide lots of good options.


https://aircargoeye.com/why-airlines...-their-pilots/

Long after little Alan and Clifford, along with Oldmeadow are taken to the woodshed, perhaps QF will catch up and realise people collectively are a business. That is still a way off. Best wishes to all
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Old 6th Apr 2017, 09:57
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(or sometimes nothing extra in the case of Jetconnect, whom I understand are now permitted to operate VH registered aircraft)
where did you hear this little gem. If true, a disgrace, and just the next step in Australia selling out its own people. A quick (?) call to CASA will be happening.
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Old 6th Apr 2017, 10:06
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So, because someone was rumoured to have scored highly in an RAAF test does that automatically mean that they fit the profile that Qantas is looking for? That example is a bit of a stretch, other candidates obviously fit the profile better, it is Qantas' train set so I guess they can afford to be picky based on whatever criteria they choose to set.
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Old 6th Apr 2017, 10:46
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Originally Posted by astroboy55 View Post
where did you hear this little gem. If true, a disgrace, and just the next step in Australia selling out its own people. A quick (?) call to CASA will be happening.
That won't help CASA allows it to happen
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Old 6th Apr 2017, 13:31
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That won't help CASA allows it to happen
Unless amended, I am relatively sure the FWA prohibits QF crewing VH registered mainline aircraft with foreign nationals. Those foreign nationals under the QSA 1992, can operate said aircraft deemed as 'Qantas Mainline aircraft', therefore need be inserted on the Qantas seniority system to be permitted ( and as such must be licenced and paid as QF)

The intent of JC was always a 'sham' as Lea Drake correctly asserted, but it is clear that is exactly what Qantas intended and the IR management would dearly love a 'trans tasman' free movement of labour arbitrage model. What do you think they really were trying to do in setting up 'sham' franchises in Asia: Arbitraging Australian jobs is a national past time in the globalised world.
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Old 6th Apr 2017, 13:46
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Got the Thanks but no thanks email a week ago......that means it took HR 5 months to decide that my pyschometric scores "did not meet the benchmark required for the Pilot Program". Ok fair enough, I didn't score high enough to progress to the next stage......But 5 months to figure that out? Oh and yes I'm also one of those pilots that walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and even dresses like a duck.......but apparently not quite duckish enough to be considered.
Although maybe that above theory has merit?? Why would Qantas allow Captains from its other group companies to leave when ultimately it may have to foot the bill for their replacement?

I've also heard of some shocking blunders by HR informing people that they got all the way through selection and were only awaiting a start date......only to get the unsuccessful email a week later.

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Old 8th Apr 2017, 00:17
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I've also heard of some shocking blunders by HR informing people that they got all the way through selection and were only awaiting a start date......only to get the unsuccessful email a week later.
Dogman, can you actually confirm this? Or are you most likely referring to candidates I've heard of who were successful with their Second Officer application, but then got an email either before or afterwards saying they were unsuccessful with the 'GROUP PILOT' application (the one which opened a few weeks after the S/O apps opened) which most people applied to. When it was switched off it seems after a successful S/O application, it caused it to generate a 'you've been unsuccessuful' email to be sent out a few have said.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 11:58
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For those of you following at home. QF today announced a 787 base in Perth. Word on the street is up to 150 s/o's based over there in the future.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 12:40
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Where was this Perth base announced? I can't seem to find anything concrete online.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 12:54
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Why would it be online? It was in the internal document published today to current pilots.
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 12:58
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Why would it be online? It was in the internal document published today to current pilots.
He he. I'm just in a position where this would be amazing news so I'd be excited to see something concrete 😎
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Old 13th Apr 2017, 13:01
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It was an FSO regarding training allocations for the year ahead. It included 787 positions based in Perth. Might not be wise to say no when asked if you would go to Perth for the job. Good luck to all.

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