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While that may end up being true at some point, I'd not expect that to be the case for several years.
Aircraft 7 and 8 are to be delivered earlier if possible but to do so,will entail 5 and 6 been slightly delayed.
Food for thought for those looking to join.
LAX-JFK?
Yes, the Bne lax service is due to go to the 787 in May 2019 it will continue to JFK. The 3 RR powered 747s were to be retired but they are now thinking of keeping one of them as a spare to plug holes which would be a very smart move IMO.
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Evans made mention that minimum fleet size for efficiency is 30
Before considering the imminent arrival of the ghostly '50 aircraft order', that some will hang on to no matter how many times it fails to materialise, one needs to understand how exactly the balance sheet is geared and the amount of off balance sheet debt. It may be that more aircraft replace the retired types but that may mean the horizon is further off than it first appears. Gareth knows that.
It may be worth looking into demographics at play to see how the opportunity may present
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I'm one of those that got invited to the panel but no further. I'm an internal app,long serving and the guys getting start dates are new f.o's who just got checked to line and 'bonded'. Go figure. Thanks HR also for the non existent feedback. 👍🏻
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Also plenty of experienced internals in the FO and Captain ranks getting start dates.
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Plenty of very suitable candidates that didn't which are on this forum....and I'm talking about the guys who have just walked into a qantas sub and are now jumping over everyone else. Consistency and loyalty would be nice.
I don't see a contracted flow agreement anywhere between mainline and their subsidiaries so how are they jumping over you?
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There is no consistent criteria. It's anyone's guess what they are looking for. Entitlement doesn't exist here. You don't need a contract for everything....
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making people jump through hoops all for squat - what a disgrace! 
the moral of the story; don't ever trust Qantas particularly, their somewhat lacking HR department!
the moral of the story; don't ever trust Qantas particularly, their somewhat lacking HR department!
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Qantas long ago ceased to be an airline of any substance. The modern variant is a huge bureaucracy with an airline, (a shell of itself attached). It is a bloated corporate with never ending internal wars.
Sadly despite protests to the contrary from 'pilot recruiters' on these pages, many feared the recruitment process to be hijacked by HR. Folks it is a turf war.
Ably led by Colonel Custer (Qantas CP Dick) Flight Operations surrendered and were overrun by HR with their endless 'tell us a time when' style questions...
They want a compliant, customer focused individual, up on social media, take selfies with the fearless leader whilst not noticing they wasted their time and a decade of their life as Alan pursued a 'negative advancement strategy'. He squandered billions of other's people's money proudly re-inventing the wheel on ill fated Asian IR (JQ) ventures, and corporate w*nk words...Whether the 'talent' can fly an aircraft is to them irrelevant...
To a pilot, technical prowess and acumen are important, as is the universal necessity for a good pilot to have as many landings as take-offs (ICAO standard) The humour lost on a 25 year old graduate looking to move up in the corporate world....
Take heart folks, demographics are working for pilots and whilst Qantas of old was something to behold, today it is another sign post pointing the way to how the west was lost..
Sadly despite protests to the contrary from 'pilot recruiters' on these pages, many feared the recruitment process to be hijacked by HR. Folks it is a turf war.
Ably led by Colonel Custer (Qantas CP Dick) Flight Operations surrendered and were overrun by HR with their endless 'tell us a time when' style questions...
They want a compliant, customer focused individual, up on social media, take selfies with the fearless leader whilst not noticing they wasted their time and a decade of their life as Alan pursued a 'negative advancement strategy'. He squandered billions of other's people's money proudly re-inventing the wheel on ill fated Asian IR (JQ) ventures, and corporate w*nk words...Whether the 'talent' can fly an aircraft is to them irrelevant...
To a pilot, technical prowess and acumen are important, as is the universal necessity for a good pilot to have as many landings as take-offs (ICAO standard) The humour lost on a 25 year old graduate looking to move up in the corporate world....
Take heart folks, demographics are working for pilots and whilst Qantas of old was something to behold, today it is another sign post pointing the way to how the west was lost..
^^^^ What he said.
Don't take it personally if you don't fit what some QF HR drone (who might know aircraft have wings) thinks a pilot should be. They hate technical crew, don't understand the field so having to choose one they hate less than others must be very difficult for them. After having met these people, I take a bit of pride in the fact they don't like me. The feeling is more than mutual.
It's not you and QF is just one airline (if that is the right word for it these days). Also don't forget there will be a VAST number of retirements in a few years, times change and (hopefully) so does management and the recruitment process(ors). A 'no' is really 'not now' - I think a more likely question for many in a few years will be 'do I really want to work for them'. The world is a very big place - Qf isn't.
Don't take it personally if you don't fit what some QF HR drone (who might know aircraft have wings) thinks a pilot should be. They hate technical crew, don't understand the field so having to choose one they hate less than others must be very difficult for them. After having met these people, I take a bit of pride in the fact they don't like me. The feeling is more than mutual.
It's not you and QF is just one airline (if that is the right word for it these days). Also don't forget there will be a VAST number of retirements in a few years, times change and (hopefully) so does management and the recruitment process(ors). A 'no' is really 'not now' - I think a more likely question for many in a few years will be 'do I really want to work for them'. The world is a very big place - Qf isn't.
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Thanks V jet..
I wasn't trying to be dismissive of the people rejected, however ask most Qantas pilots about the way they are treated: Thinly veiled contempt from the top down. HR is a modern day representation of envy, a huge consumer of resources, creating division, drama and problems wherever they are. Pilot applicants will be treated the same.They struggle for relevance in a respectful workplace, yet Qantas is anything but a respectful workplace. It is only a few years ago, that pilots at Qantas were locked out of their workplace, even those domestic pilots not involved in the wearing of red ties (not JQ, or Jetconnect though), the narrative changed as it suited the HR people but their feelings are ingrained.
I have spent considerable time on another thread detailing the demographics at play affecting many skilled profession including pilots. These professions have strict criteria, long lead times and are highly specialsed. As such, globalisation sort of works against employers in aviation, pilots can seek opportunities elsewhere.
It may well be something we witness in years to come; that the HR dominance of the recruiting process saw new trainees ill equipped with skills, acumen or experience to safely pilot jet aircraft in the requisite training time minimums.
There are far greener pastures than the once proud Qantas. Despite the self assured PR crap , Joyce has overseen an 'advance to the rear', quite unlike anything witnessed in modern Australian aviation and recruiting bears the same incompetent stamp..
I wasn't trying to be dismissive of the people rejected, however ask most Qantas pilots about the way they are treated: Thinly veiled contempt from the top down. HR is a modern day representation of envy, a huge consumer of resources, creating division, drama and problems wherever they are. Pilot applicants will be treated the same.They struggle for relevance in a respectful workplace, yet Qantas is anything but a respectful workplace. It is only a few years ago, that pilots at Qantas were locked out of their workplace, even those domestic pilots not involved in the wearing of red ties (not JQ, or Jetconnect though), the narrative changed as it suited the HR people but their feelings are ingrained.
I have spent considerable time on another thread detailing the demographics at play affecting many skilled profession including pilots. These professions have strict criteria, long lead times and are highly specialsed. As such, globalisation sort of works against employers in aviation, pilots can seek opportunities elsewhere.
- CASA have found CPL applications have declined markedly for many years
- RAAF applications for air crew running way behind their required level
It may well be something we witness in years to come; that the HR dominance of the recruiting process saw new trainees ill equipped with skills, acumen or experience to safely pilot jet aircraft in the requisite training time minimums.
There are far greener pastures than the once proud Qantas. Despite the self assured PR crap , Joyce has overseen an 'advance to the rear', quite unlike anything witnessed in modern Australian aviation and recruiting bears the same incompetent stamp..
I didn't think you were, but I entirely agree with all you said. It's very easy to say so from the inside because we have (QF crew) been 'accepted' but it's really important that people know getting in (to QF
) is not everything in life. ESPECIALLY these days. Also a good time to pass on one funny story from a guy now retired; He was rejected as being too old !!seventeen!! years before he was accepted!
) is not everything in life. ESPECIALLY these days. Also a good time to pass on one funny story from a guy now retired; He was rejected as being too old !!seventeen!! years before he was accepted!
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I get it, it sucks to miss out on something you've invested in and pinned your hopes on. It's especially crap when you truly believe that it was unjust.
Note I don't say this to disagree with anybody's comments however I will point out that sometimes one has to choose to change the system and other times one must play the system.
I personally have sound theory and my manipulative skills are of a good standard however I am not the Ace of Base.
Flying skills are a must however I understood that the path to the job I wanted involved demonstrating acumen in other areas first and then ensuring that my piloting theory and skills would be up to snuff when the time came.
Were we given much notice about the psychometric? Yes and no. We all knew it was happening this year and we all knew it was coming soon once we'd applied so yes many of us started preparing with silly practice exams that will never make us better pilots. But three days was not long at all, especially for those caught out on holiday, on extended layovers or dealing with min rest.
Unfortunately no matter how good a stick you are you're getting no bite at the cherry without a good score to prove that you can convert fizzy drinks sales in ¥ to € and then multiply that by a factor to then calculate European juice sales to establish what colour the factory roof is. It's silly but the hoop to jump through was known.
I for one was hungover AF and overseas when I learnt that I had only 28 hours (thank you Gmail spam filter) to pour myself into seat 12F, get my head right, get back to Aus and complete the psychometric exam and video interview. (Thankfully I could fall back on the prep I'd done 5 months and 2 months prior.)
Next I knew that in Sydney I wasn't going to be asked about the fuel system on my current aircraft or which side of the Jetstream is most turbulent when Jupiter is in transit; rather I'd be asked to tell them about a time when someone was a prick at work and how we fixed it.
I knew because:
A. I asked around,
B. I read PPRuNe and
C. They basically told us that in the email (or maybe that was Virgin... I get confused).
This has all worked out for me and if all goes to plan I'll be wearing a ridiculously white hat this year. (Not that it'll stay white for long based on my track record with white clothing and tomato-based foods.)
So is an interview sans tech questions the wrong way to hire pilots? I don't know. Although I do care it was irrelevant at the time because I knew that what mattered was simple story telling, smiling when conversing, demonstrating team work skills and just fitting into the mold. So I poured my energy into that and possibly even lost some pilot info along the way.
I do not begrudge anybody their complaints of the system, the only way to change a process for the better is to highlight it's negative aspects; just be mindful of sour grapes, it is rather unbecoming of our profession.
If you were trying for this and you got the thanks-but-no-thanks email please do not lose heart. The profession affords many amazing opportunities and there will be future intakes at QF of you're still keen when the time comes.
I can take the heat if you feel you must flame me (I'm quite used to it) but please know that I'm not telling you of and as a fellow pilot I'm on your side.
Fair winds and following seas, chaps (just trying to perfect my QF-speak. Perhaps I'd best keep working on it.)
Note I don't say this to disagree with anybody's comments however I will point out that sometimes one has to choose to change the system and other times one must play the system.
I personally have sound theory and my manipulative skills are of a good standard however I am not the Ace of Base.
Flying skills are a must however I understood that the path to the job I wanted involved demonstrating acumen in other areas first and then ensuring that my piloting theory and skills would be up to snuff when the time came.
Were we given much notice about the psychometric? Yes and no. We all knew it was happening this year and we all knew it was coming soon once we'd applied so yes many of us started preparing with silly practice exams that will never make us better pilots. But three days was not long at all, especially for those caught out on holiday, on extended layovers or dealing with min rest.
Unfortunately no matter how good a stick you are you're getting no bite at the cherry without a good score to prove that you can convert fizzy drinks sales in ¥ to € and then multiply that by a factor to then calculate European juice sales to establish what colour the factory roof is. It's silly but the hoop to jump through was known.
I for one was hungover AF and overseas when I learnt that I had only 28 hours (thank you Gmail spam filter) to pour myself into seat 12F, get my head right, get back to Aus and complete the psychometric exam and video interview. (Thankfully I could fall back on the prep I'd done 5 months and 2 months prior.)
Next I knew that in Sydney I wasn't going to be asked about the fuel system on my current aircraft or which side of the Jetstream is most turbulent when Jupiter is in transit; rather I'd be asked to tell them about a time when someone was a prick at work and how we fixed it.
I knew because:
A. I asked around,
B. I read PPRuNe and
C. They basically told us that in the email (or maybe that was Virgin... I get confused).
This has all worked out for me and if all goes to plan I'll be wearing a ridiculously white hat this year. (Not that it'll stay white for long based on my track record with white clothing and tomato-based foods.)
So is an interview sans tech questions the wrong way to hire pilots? I don't know. Although I do care it was irrelevant at the time because I knew that what mattered was simple story telling, smiling when conversing, demonstrating team work skills and just fitting into the mold. So I poured my energy into that and possibly even lost some pilot info along the way.
I do not begrudge anybody their complaints of the system, the only way to change a process for the better is to highlight it's negative aspects; just be mindful of sour grapes, it is rather unbecoming of our profession.
If you were trying for this and you got the thanks-but-no-thanks email please do not lose heart. The profession affords many amazing opportunities and there will be future intakes at QF of you're still keen when the time comes.
I can take the heat if you feel you must flame me (I'm quite used to it) but please know that I'm not telling you of and as a fellow pilot I'm on your side.
Fair winds and following seas, chaps (just trying to perfect my QF-speak. Perhaps I'd best keep working on it.)
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Having just seen the Courier Mail article about the psychometric tests that train drivers had to complete, I know that the HR infection has spread through the entire patient. The article quoted a UQ Maths Professor who said his students would struggle with the test.
If I decide to have another crack at QF in 12 months, I will obviously have to throw a few grand at PATS (thanks for the email, how did you get my details?). That's 'playing the game' I guess. In a world gone mad, act like a lunatic.
If I decide to have another crack at QF in 12 months, I will obviously have to throw a few grand at PATS (thanks for the email, how did you get my details?). That's 'playing the game' I guess. In a world gone mad, act like a lunatic.
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No need to spend thousands of dollars whatsoever! Tonnes of far better practice material online for a sign up fee a fraction of the cost...
