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I did hear one line of thought that all RIN costs were put down under the 'transformation' bucket of money. Therefore not a direct cost to Flight Ops. That would at least explain some of the RIN lunacy. I can list 3 A330 Captains and 1 737 Captain straight up who had less than a dozen landings post training as F/Os on the A380 after being RIN'd off the 767- less than 6 months. I can think of another two who would have had only a year on the A380 as F/Os before retraining on the A330.
Such a waste.
Such a waste.
I did hear one line of thought that all RIN costs were put down under the 'transformation' bucket of money. Therefore not a direct cost to Flight Ops.
For those that make it, the best of luck - I do sincerely hope you enjoy it. What 'they' want is the blind obedience that is the cornerstone of every financial and empire disaster that has befallen those far greater than Joycie boy. And incidentally, the antithesis of any 'sound' flight deck operation.
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I did hear one line of thought that all RIN costs were put down under the 'transformation' bucket of money. Therefore not a direct cost to Flight Ops.
Nunc est bibendum
The the, yes. Like JA jagging an A380 command slot at a time when he may not have been otherwise able to, the various RINs brought up a number of unpredictable outcomes. As far as I could tell there were two 737 Captains affected by that particular A380 F/O RIN. They checked to line 5-7 months behind me. Those A330 command slots also prevented a further 4 A380 F/Os from being forcibly moved to the A330 as F/Os so as is usual with RINs, some people win pretty big, some win a little, some don't win at all.
Directanywhere, agreed.
So, just for a bit of a laugh I applied to q-link for the FO position.
Did their testing, seemed harder than mainline but some questions were the same.
Got an invite for interview.
Did their testing, seemed harder than mainline but some questions were the same.
Got an invite for interview.
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No - I didn't think you thought it was justifiable, logical or sensible (only someone profiting from it personally would think that!). I was pointing out that this type of lunacy is merely the tip of the iceberg. Their bizarre accounting techniques create bonuses but are a window onto a far greater malaise. They don't think they are running an airline, they certainly don't care about the brand or the aircraft - those in charge are interested in two primary goals, maintaining their jobs and increasing their power/wealth. Nothing else matters.
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Their bizarre accounting techniques create bonuses but are a window onto a far greater malaise
A quick look at their narrative exposes that, the industrial campaign of 'terminal decline' in 2011 was quietly matched with a whole bunch of share options for insiders...
When the fleet write down (all permissible under AASB- at management discretion) ensured that the on paper loss would be massive, most myopic financially illiterate unions fell for it leaving their members pay frozen. Then options amazingly vested....
With the remaining pilots subject to BS with uniform/dress standards that strangely don't apply when the HR wanders aimlessly, hoping for relevance, is it any wonder the recruiting process is sub optimal? It is a battle for relevance.
A quick look at their narrative exposes that, the industrial campaign of 'terminal decline' in 2011 was quietly matched with a whole bunch of share options for insiders...
When the fleet write down (all permissible under AASB- at management discretion) ensured that the on paper loss would be massive, most myopic financially illiterate unions fell for it leaving their members pay frozen. Then options amazingly vested....
With the remaining pilots subject to BS with uniform/dress standards that strangely don't apply when the HR wanders aimlessly, hoping for relevance, is it any wonder the recruiting process is sub optimal? It is a battle for relevance.
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Wondering on peoples thoughts and apologies in advanced if someone in the same position as myself has already posted. Currently in the application process at present for SO position where my assessment day and sim check are complete.
I was then emailed asking for medical and reference checks to be done and the medical is close to being completed and reference checks are done. The only thing left to do (I think) is I require some vaccination boosters to complete the medical and a psych check.
Being located remotely I have spent god knows how much money going back and forth..more so time spent away from work which I will have to do again (definitely not the bosses favourite at the moment). I hate asking dumb questions but would I be more on the last legs of the application process and are signs pointing to a yes making it this far? Anyone made it this far and gotten a no? Guess my thought process is to give the boss as much of an update as possible.
I was then emailed asking for medical and reference checks to be done and the medical is close to being completed and reference checks are done. The only thing left to do (I think) is I require some vaccination boosters to complete the medical and a psych check.
Being located remotely I have spent god knows how much money going back and forth..more so time spent away from work which I will have to do again (definitely not the bosses favourite at the moment). I hate asking dumb questions but would I be more on the last legs of the application process and are signs pointing to a yes making it this far? Anyone made it this far and gotten a no? Guess my thought process is to give the boss as much of an update as possible.
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Wondering on peoples thoughts and apologies in advanced if someone in the same position as myself has already posted. Currently in the application process at present for SO position where my assessment day and sim check are complete.
I was then emailed asking for medical and reference checks to be done and the medical is close to being completed and reference checks are done. The only thing left to do (I think) is I require some vaccination boosters to complete the medical and a psych check.
Being located remotely I have spent god knows how much money going back and forth..more so time spent away from work which I will have to do again (definitely not the bosses favourite at the moment). I hate asking dumb questions but would I be more on the last legs of the application process and are signs pointing to a yes making it this far? Anyone made it this far and gotten a no? Guess my thought process is to give the boss as much of an update as possible.
I was then emailed asking for medical and reference checks to be done and the medical is close to being completed and reference checks are done. The only thing left to do (I think) is I require some vaccination boosters to complete the medical and a psych check.
Being located remotely I have spent god knows how much money going back and forth..more so time spent away from work which I will have to do again (definitely not the bosses favourite at the moment). I hate asking dumb questions but would I be more on the last legs of the application process and are signs pointing to a yes making it this far? Anyone made it this far and gotten a no? Guess my thought process is to give the boss as much of an update as possible.
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Well I was an internal applicant. Progressed all the way to the executive review panel, I received the dreaded no email not long after the panel review. It will be interesting to get the feedback as to why I wasn't suitable for the position.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
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Well I was an internal applicant. Progressed all the way to the executive review panel, I received the dreaded no email not long after the panel review. It will be interesting to get the feedback as to why I wasn't suitable for the position.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
Does anyone actually know what Recruiters are after? Heard a lot of stories of people progressing through all stages, giving good references and then getting a no, and these people were genuinely good, hard working guys and girls?
Why progress someone onto the sim and then cull them perhaps due to an earlier stage of testing?
Is there a limit on the amount they put on hold?
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I think HR are playing some sort of discriminating game behind the scenes and I have good reason as to why.
A lot of internal applicants didn't get in, which I know for a fact. This is puzzling as they are already doing the same job, just wearing different uniforms and in most cases working a lot harder than Qantas mainline pilots and on poorer conditions/EBA's.
The initial aptitude testing was unnecessarily difficult, and i believe the reason for that is if everyone does poorly, they (QF HR) can cherry-pick whoever the want and don't want just by saying 'Hey sorry you didn't pass the required standard' when in reality, no one would have passed some sort of a standard as it was so ridiculously hard!
The fact that a lot of airlines within the Qantas group are short on pilots, would suggest that it isn't in mainlines interest to be hiring across internally because it will cost them more with re-training the internal person and then hiring someone to fill that persons original spot and then initial training the near hiree, so 2 times training. While hiring externally just means one lot of training for the new person and the internal guys stay where they are. Win-win except for the internal employees (but who cares about the pilots eyy nothing new here).
I think there are grounds for discrimination, especially as I know actually one guy who got the highest air force testing score in the state a while ago and has since been flying RPT internally for the Qantas group for multiple years (ended up not going through military route) and this person was knocked back before the interview stage for not passing the set standard on the TalentIQ with Qantas?? I mean seriously it's complete rubbish, an absolute joke and my example proves it.
A lot of internal applicants didn't get in, which I know for a fact. This is puzzling as they are already doing the same job, just wearing different uniforms and in most cases working a lot harder than Qantas mainline pilots and on poorer conditions/EBA's.
The initial aptitude testing was unnecessarily difficult, and i believe the reason for that is if everyone does poorly, they (QF HR) can cherry-pick whoever the want and don't want just by saying 'Hey sorry you didn't pass the required standard' when in reality, no one would have passed some sort of a standard as it was so ridiculously hard!
The fact that a lot of airlines within the Qantas group are short on pilots, would suggest that it isn't in mainlines interest to be hiring across internally because it will cost them more with re-training the internal person and then hiring someone to fill that persons original spot and then initial training the near hiree, so 2 times training. While hiring externally just means one lot of training for the new person and the internal guys stay where they are. Win-win except for the internal employees (but who cares about the pilots eyy nothing new here).

I think there are grounds for discrimination, especially as I know actually one guy who got the highest air force testing score in the state a while ago and has since been flying RPT internally for the Qantas group for multiple years (ended up not going through military route) and this person was knocked back before the interview stage for not passing the set standard on the TalentIQ with Qantas?? I mean seriously it's complete rubbish, an absolute joke and my example proves it.

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Well I was an internal applicant. Progressed all the way to the executive review panel, I received the dreaded no email not long after the panel review. It will be interesting to get the feedback as to why I wasn't suitable for the position.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
The risk of lawsuits for discrimination is too great.
"You are not competitive at this time" seem to be the usual spiel, unchanged for over 30 years.
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The ironic thing is though in my current position, QANTAS trust me to fly their passengers and to captain one of their jets, so go figure.
Are there any external applicants still waiting for an update since completing the video etc?
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Hope you are well.
I am writing to provide you with an update on the Second Officer recruitment process you have been participating in. Unfortunately on this occasion we will not be progressing your application further. I appreciate this is very disappointing news, and we will be booking in a feedback discussion with you in the coming weeks to discuss further.
You will be eligible to reapply in 12 months’ time.
Thank you for taking the time to meet with us and your interest in Qantas Mainline.
That is the email I received, doesn't say it will be honest feedback I guess. One thing though I don't intend to be in the QANTAS group in 12 months time.
I am writing to provide you with an update on the Second Officer recruitment process you have been participating in. Unfortunately on this occasion we will not be progressing your application further. I appreciate this is very disappointing news, and we will be booking in a feedback discussion with you in the coming weeks to discuss further.
You will be eligible to reapply in 12 months’ time.
Thank you for taking the time to meet with us and your interest in Qantas Mainline.
That is the email I received, doesn't say it will be honest feedback I guess. One thing though I don't intend to be in the QANTAS group in 12 months time.
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Will you get feedback?
Does anyone actually know what Recruiters are after? Heard a lot of stories of people progressing through all stages, giving good references and then getting a no, and these people were genuinely good, hard working guys and girls?
Why progress someone onto the sim and then cull them perhaps due to an earlier stage of testing?
Is there a limit on the amount they put on hold?
Does anyone actually know what Recruiters are after? Heard a lot of stories of people progressing through all stages, giving good references and then getting a no, and these people were genuinely good, hard working guys and girls?
Why progress someone onto the sim and then cull them perhaps due to an earlier stage of testing?
Is there a limit on the amount they put on hold?