Qantas Recruitment
I know of a couple of guys who've heard diddly squat since doing the online stuff last year. I think at this stage no news is good news. At least you don't have a NO!
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Qantas have a total of 15 787 options at guaranteed purchase prices till 2020.
That means 7 remaining should QF choose to take them up.
The others are only purchase rights without the price guarantees and without guaranteed slots till 2025 so they still have 7 years to make a decision on those.
Should QF take up the remaining 7 by 2020 then Joyce has hinted that will be when the 6 remaining jumbos will go. Could be waiting for ETOPS to fly JNB/SCL before replacing the last 6 747s.
8 787 replace 5 744 and IF the 7 remaining come it's likely 6 744 go for a net gain of 1 in the next order.
In total 15 787 in and 11 747s go. Net gain of 4 aircraft so at least it's something. Lots of premium seats so must make lots of $$$$ compared to a Very low yield JQ 787 that is smaller. West Australian Pravda saying PER-LHR 42 J seats at around $9000 a ticket and 28 premium at approx $4500. 166 economy approx $2300. Sold out and Very high yield. Fuel burn is very low(the highest cost), maintenance cheap too. Crew costs can't be that far off JQ either. Easily Half price SOs too compared to 747.
Certainly it looks like 787 is a long haul aircraft for Qantas for at least a decade.
With the higher productivity of crews flying the 787 I don't think it will be huge numbers. Talk is massive retirements will be the growth driver not new hulls. No LWOP extensions and QF been asking for pilots to return.
Good luck to those applying.
Qantas have a total of 15 787 options at guaranteed purchase prices till 2020.
That means 7 remaining should QF choose to take them up.
The others are only purchase rights without the price guarantees and without guaranteed slots till 2025 so they still have 7 years to make a decision on those.
Should QF take up the remaining 7 by 2020 then Joyce has hinted that will be when the 6 remaining jumbos will go. Could be waiting for ETOPS to fly JNB/SCL before replacing the last 6 747s.
8 787 replace 5 744 and IF the 7 remaining come it's likely 6 744 go for a net gain of 1 in the next order.
In total 15 787 in and 11 747s go. Net gain of 4 aircraft so at least it's something. Lots of premium seats so must make lots of $$$$ compared to a Very low yield JQ 787 that is smaller. West Australian Pravda saying PER-LHR 42 J seats at around $9000 a ticket and 28 premium at approx $4500. 166 economy approx $2300. Sold out and Very high yield. Fuel burn is very low(the highest cost), maintenance cheap too. Crew costs can't be that far off JQ either. Easily Half price SOs too compared to 747.
Certainly it looks like 787 is a long haul aircraft for Qantas for at least a decade.
With the higher productivity of crews flying the 787 I don't think it will be huge numbers. Talk is massive retirements will be the growth driver not new hulls. No LWOP extensions and QF been asking for pilots to return.
Good luck to those applying.
As of Friday the 6 x 747 ERs are not due to go till 2023.
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Good info Dragon Man. 
Would seem smart to keep the 6 new 747s for as long as possible whilst they have been written down to zero, sorry transformed, or is that turned around? Or is that a game Changer? Someone help me out here.
Especially whilst fuel is cheap, the checks been done and they have the A380 refurb.
Suppose wait and see if or when the 7 options are exercised and when they actually arrive.
Great to see some fresh faces again with all the movement.
Would seem smart to keep the 6 new 747s for as long as possible whilst they have been written down to zero, sorry transformed, or is that turned around? Or is that a game Changer? Someone help me out here.
Especially whilst fuel is cheap, the checks been done and they have the A380 refurb.
Suppose wait and see if or when the 7 options are exercised and when they actually arrive.
Great to see some fresh faces again with all the movement.
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The Group retained 14 787-8 orders, 20 options, and 30 purchase rights.
11 orders went to Jetstar, 3 were converted to 787-9s for Qantas.
5 options were exercised as 787-9s for Qantas.
So there are 15 options remaining at fixed prices and generally fixed dates, and 30 purchase rights at fixed prices but no fixed dates.
Joyce has been quoted saying Qantas would like the remaining 45, if the first batch prove their worth.
The Group retained 14 787-8 orders, 20 options, and 30 purchase rights.
11 orders went to Jetstar, 3 were converted to 787-9s for Qantas.
5 options were exercised as 787-9s for Qantas.
So there are 15 options remaining at fixed prices and generally fixed dates, and 30 purchase rights at fixed prices but no fixed dates.
Joyce has been quoted saying Qantas would like the remaining 45, if the first batch prove their worth.
I should have added they might keep one of the Rollers as well as a spare. Decision will be made at the end of next year based on the price of the check due and wether they want an orphan in the fleet.
Nunc est bibendum
That was how I understood it. Those 15 options with dates attached are all within a fairly short period of time- two years I think. 19/20 and 20/21. With the current 8 787s all being accelerated to now arrive by the end of next year I wonder if they may try and hurry up some of these other 15 options also.
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Don't know that level of detail. Sorry. There was a rumour that the A330 June course has been 'moved to the right' due to lack of training capacity but haven't heard anything more concrete than the scuttlebutt.
There was also a rumour of potentially a DE S/O to the A380 and/or 744 also at some stage this calendar year. That'll set another cat amongst the pigeons to join the couple that are already there.
There was also a rumour of potentially a DE S/O to the A380 and/or 744 also at some stage this calendar year. That'll set another cat amongst the pigeons to join the couple that are already there.
Just wanted to ask this because it was a topic of discussion among my colleagues the other day.
Qantas has one option for minimum hours being "500 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane (excluding hours in Command Under Supervision)", this seems quite low - would anyone be even looked at with around these hours? For example, many of us are instructors so have built up plenty of Single Engine time but lack the Multi-time (Less than 75 hours), how realistic is it QF would look at pilots with low Multi-Time?
Qantas has one option for minimum hours being "500 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane (excluding hours in Command Under Supervision)", this seems quite low - would anyone be even looked at with around these hours? For example, many of us are instructors so have built up plenty of Single Engine time but lack the Multi-time (Less than 75 hours), how realistic is it QF would look at pilots with low Multi-Time?
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Just wanted to ask this because it was a topic of discussion among my colleagues the other day.
Qantas has one option for minimum hours being "500 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane (excluding hours in Command Under Supervision)", this seems quite low - would anyone be even looked at with around these hours? For example, many of us are instructors so have built up plenty of Single Engine time but lack the Multi-time (Less than 75 hours), how realistic is it QF would look at pilots with low Multi-Time?
Qantas has one option for minimum hours being "500 hours in Command of a powered fixed wing aeroplane (excluding hours in Command Under Supervision)", this seems quite low - would anyone be even looked at with around these hours? For example, many of us are instructors so have built up plenty of Single Engine time but lack the Multi-time (Less than 75 hours), how realistic is it QF would look at pilots with low Multi-Time?
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After the recent training advertisement - is there any respectable guess at when SO A330 will no longer be offered and all recruitment onto 787?.
No SO's have been allocated PER as yet.
No SO's have been allocated PER as yet.
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Re 380 SO positions.
4 SYD based 380 SO positions and 4 PER based 73' FO positions were advertised to JQ pilots under the MOU in early May.
380 positions should get some interest.
4 SYD based 380 SO positions and 4 PER based 73' FO positions were advertised to JQ pilots under the MOU in early May.
380 positions should get some interest.
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1) Change of scenery.
2) Similar money
3) So something different than A320 domestic ops
4) See a few destinations
5) Try a different company
MOU number will probably be very close to PER 330 FO and in a couple of years 330 east coast.
2) Similar money
3) So something different than A320 domestic ops
4) See a few destinations
5) Try a different company
MOU number will probably be very close to PER 330 FO and in a couple of years 330 east coast.
