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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 09:40
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Recruitment on to B Scale has begun…
Didn't think that happened until the a350 arrived?
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 10:33
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Think the EBA says “aircraft ordered” and “commenced recruitment of SOs into the A330/350 SFF category”. So if new SOs are being recruited as 330/350 SFF category they will be under new rate. Wouldn’t surprise me for Qantas to do that and say you fly both, but will only fly 330 for now.
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 11:20
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Originally Posted by engine out View Post
Think the EBA says “aircraft ordered” and “commenced recruitment of SOs into the A330/350 SFF category”. So if new SOs are being recruited as 330/350 SFF category they will be under new rate. Wouldn’t surprise me for Qantas to do that and say you fly both, but will only fly 330 for now.

will that apply to recruits onto all LH fleets now or just the 330? Is there any info onto how much it actually affects take home pay?
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 11:50
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Originally Posted by engine out View Post
Wouldn’t surprise me for Qantas to do that and say you fly both, but will only fly 330 for now.
Pretty hard to justify training (“commenced recruitment of S/O’s into the A330/A350 SFF category”) onto an aircraft that doesn’t arrive for over 2 years….

Hopefully AIPA think this is something to stand up and fight for, rather than thinking it’s a 50/50 if we win, and just rolling over as per usual!
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 11:51
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Once it begins, it's applicable to all fleets. I think the 787 rate is different, but with the way the rules work, it equates to the same pay. So I guess that means S/O's are now on fleet pay.

A bit of a stretch to suggest they are recruiting for SFF, but I'd suggest it's probably legal.

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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 16:22
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Can confirm SO’s starting in October have received an email from HR stating they are being employed in to the 330/350 Category.

I suspect this is a direct result of AIPA recently shutting down Qantas’ request to employ direct entry 380 SO’s without paying bypass pay to those with current bids in for the 380

Hopefully AIPA has something to say about this considering the fleet isn’t due to arrive for years yet.
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 16:32
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Originally Posted by Sparrows. View Post
Pretty hard to justify training (“commenced recruitment of S/O’s into the A330/A350 SFF category”) onto an aircraft that doesn’t arrive for over 2 years….
QF's absolute disdain towards the profession is errr....just Shocking!
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Old 24th Sep 2022, 01:13
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy View Post
Recruitment on to B Scale has begun…
Maybe to entice new hires onto 737?
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Old 24th Sep 2022, 16:14
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Funny thing is most of the people joining at the moment probably have enough hours on the triangle in some sort of jet they probably have no interest in rushing onto the 737.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 06:45
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Is it likely progression would speed up in future with the aircraft orders, or is there still going to be 5,6,7+ year SO’s now sitting on a B scale? From what I’ve read the payscale starts to properly impact you after a couple of years.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 09:04
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi View Post
QF's absolute disdain towards the profession is errr....just Shocking!
Well if the pilot group hadn’t sold out their future colleagues and voted up a B scale then the company wouldn’t be able to do this………..think about that..

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Old 25th Sep 2022, 09:44
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Originally Posted by davidclarke View Post
Well if the pilot group hadn’t sold out their future colleagues and voted up a B scale then the company would be able to do this………..think about that..
Amen 🙏
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 11:56
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Race plummet to the bottom, as always
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 14:34
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Originally Posted by Change Tanks View Post
Is it likely progression would speed up in future with the aircraft orders, or is there still going to be 5,6,7+ year SO’s now sitting on a B scale? From what I’ve read the payscale starts to properly impact you after a couple of years.
Boggles my mind that people are getting in line to be an SO for 7+ years, let alone now on a B scale. It's an insult to the profession and the individual's skillset. We really are our worst enemy.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 15:42
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Originally Posted by abaderrr View Post
Boggles my mind that people are getting in line to be an SO for 7+ years, let alone now on a B scale. It's an insult to the profession and the individual's skillset. We really are our worst enemy.
Probably still better than being at network njs etc. Maybe even Jetstar too. I'm not saying that's right. The whole industry in Australia has just gone to shit. Nothing but another pineapple every day. Maybe people see QF as a slightly smaller pineapple that's lubed. Can't blame them.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 23:29
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Originally Posted by davidclarke View Post
Well if the pilot group hadn’t sold out their future colleagues and voted up a B scale then the company wouldn’t be able to do this………..think about that..
Just like EFA didn't sell out and vote "No" too hey?
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 02:59
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Originally Posted by abaderrr View Post
Boggles my mind that people are getting in line to be an SO for 7+ years, let alone now on a B scale. It's an insult to the profession and the individual's skillset. We really are our worst enemy.
There’s no reason to stay an SO for 7+ years except by choice, currently Syd and Mel SH FO slots are being handed out to new joiners.

Delving a bit more into the EBA for new hire SOs for the 787 it’s $122k-$131k on base MGH without additional pay or allowances. 330/350 SFF $107k-$124k MGH at the end of 6 years, so a bit lower but not substantially as much. Again this can all be avoided by bidding to SH ASAP, with 35% higher pay at MGH on first year rates, but at the usual hours rostered in SH it’ll be much much more, the before tax pay for most F/O’s for this FY should have a 2 at the start of it, even on first year rates and without the bonus or allowances.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 04:53
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie View Post
Just like EFA didn't sell out and vote "No" too hey?
Absolutely! Every EBA that has been voted up in the last few years group wide has been garbage. But the difference is none of them voted up a B scale for their future colleagues. Colleagues that never got to have a say……
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 04:54
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
There’s no reason to stay an SO for 7+ years except by choice, currently Syd and Mel SH FO slots are being handed out to new joiners.

Delving a bit more into the EBA for new hire SOs for the 787 it’s $122k-$131k on base MGH without additional pay or allowances. 330/350 SFF $107k-$124k MGH at the end of 6 years, so a bit lower but not substantially as much. Again this can all be avoided by bidding to SH ASAP, with 35% higher pay at MGH on first year rates, but at the usual hours rostered in SH it’ll be much much more, the before tax pay for most F/O’s for this FY should have a 2 at the start of it, even on first year rates and without the bonus or allowances.
Is it normal for SO's on the 787/330 to get MGH or are they working harder than that?
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 05:25
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Originally Posted by dr dre View Post
There’s no reason to stay an SO for 7+ years except by choice, currently Syd and Mel SH FO slots are being handed out to new joiners.

Delving a bit more into the EBA for new hire SOs for the 787 it’s $122k-$131k on base MGH without additional pay or allowances. 330/350 SFF $107k-$124k MGH at the end of 6 years, so a bit lower but not substantially as much. Again this can all be avoided by bidding to SH ASAP, with 35% higher pay at MGH on first year rates, but at the usual hours rostered in SH it’ll be much much more, the before tax pay for most F/O’s for this FY should have a 2 at the start of it, even on first year rates and without the bonus or allowances.
What about bases outside of Mel or syd? Understandably not day 1 but how long could you have to wait for SH?
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