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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 15:22
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Can confirm SO’s starting in October have received an email from HR stating they are being employed in to the 330/350 Category.

I suspect this is a direct result of AIPA recently shutting down Qantas’ request to employ direct entry 380 SO’s without paying bypass pay to those with current bids in for the 380

Hopefully AIPA has something to say about this considering the fleet isn’t due to arrive for years yet.
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Old 23rd Sep 2022, 15:32
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Originally Posted by Sparrows.
Pretty hard to justify training (“commenced recruitment of S/O’s into the A330/A350 SFF category”) onto an aircraft that doesn’t arrive for over 2 years….
QF's absolute disdain towards the profession is errr....just Shocking!
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Old 24th Sep 2022, 00:13
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
Recruitment on to B Scale has begun…
Maybe to entice new hires onto 737?
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Old 24th Sep 2022, 15:14
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Funny thing is most of the people joining at the moment probably have enough hours on the triangle in some sort of jet they probably have no interest in rushing onto the 737.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 05:45
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Is it likely progression would speed up in future with the aircraft orders, or is there still going to be 5,6,7+ year SO’s now sitting on a B scale? From what I’ve read the payscale starts to properly impact you after a couple of years.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 08:04
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
QF's absolute disdain towards the profession is errr....just Shocking!
Well if the pilot group hadn’t sold out their future colleagues and voted up a B scale then the company wouldn’t be able to do this………..think about that..

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Old 25th Sep 2022, 08:44
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
Well if the pilot group hadn’t sold out their future colleagues and voted up a B scale then the company would be able to do this………..think about that..
Amen 🙏
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 10:56
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Race plummet to the bottom, as always
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 13:34
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Originally Posted by Change Tanks
Is it likely progression would speed up in future with the aircraft orders, or is there still going to be 5,6,7+ year SO’s now sitting on a B scale? From what I’ve read the payscale starts to properly impact you after a couple of years.
Boggles my mind that people are getting in line to be an SO for 7+ years, let alone now on a B scale. It's an insult to the profession and the individual's skillset. We really are our worst enemy.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 14:42
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Originally Posted by abaderrr
Boggles my mind that people are getting in line to be an SO for 7+ years, let alone now on a B scale. It's an insult to the profession and the individual's skillset. We really are our worst enemy.
Probably still better than being at network njs etc. Maybe even Jetstar too. I'm not saying that's right. The whole industry in Australia has just gone to ****. Nothing but another pineapple every day. Maybe people see QF as a slightly smaller pineapple that's lubed. Can't blame them.
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Old 25th Sep 2022, 22:29
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
Well if the pilot group hadn’t sold out their future colleagues and voted up a B scale then the company wouldn’t be able to do this………..think about that..
Just like EFA didn't sell out and vote "No" too hey?
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 01:59
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Originally Posted by abaderrr
Boggles my mind that people are getting in line to be an SO for 7+ years, let alone now on a B scale. It's an insult to the profession and the individual's skillset. We really are our worst enemy.
There’s no reason to stay an SO for 7+ years except by choice, currently Syd and Mel SH FO slots are being handed out to new joiners.

Delving a bit more into the EBA for new hire SOs for the 787 it’s $122k-$131k on base MGH without additional pay or allowances. 330/350 SFF $107k-$124k MGH at the end of 6 years, so a bit lower but not substantially as much. Again this can all be avoided by bidding to SH ASAP, with 35% higher pay at MGH on first year rates, but at the usual hours rostered in SH it’ll be much much more, the before tax pay for most F/O’s for this FY should have a 2 at the start of it, even on first year rates and without the bonus or allowances.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 03:53
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie
Just like EFA didn't sell out and vote "No" too hey?
Absolutely! Every EBA that has been voted up in the last few years group wide has been garbage. But the difference is none of them voted up a B scale for their future colleagues. Colleagues that never got to have a say……
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 03:54
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Originally Posted by dr dre
There’s no reason to stay an SO for 7+ years except by choice, currently Syd and Mel SH FO slots are being handed out to new joiners.

Delving a bit more into the EBA for new hire SOs for the 787 it’s $122k-$131k on base MGH without additional pay or allowances. 330/350 SFF $107k-$124k MGH at the end of 6 years, so a bit lower but not substantially as much. Again this can all be avoided by bidding to SH ASAP, with 35% higher pay at MGH on first year rates, but at the usual hours rostered in SH it’ll be much much more, the before tax pay for most F/O’s for this FY should have a 2 at the start of it, even on first year rates and without the bonus or allowances.
Is it normal for SO's on the 787/330 to get MGH or are they working harder than that?
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 04:25
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Originally Posted by dr dre
There’s no reason to stay an SO for 7+ years except by choice, currently Syd and Mel SH FO slots are being handed out to new joiners.

Delving a bit more into the EBA for new hire SOs for the 787 it’s $122k-$131k on base MGH without additional pay or allowances. 330/350 SFF $107k-$124k MGH at the end of 6 years, so a bit lower but not substantially as much. Again this can all be avoided by bidding to SH ASAP, with 35% higher pay at MGH on first year rates, but at the usual hours rostered in SH it’ll be much much more, the before tax pay for most F/O’s for this FY should have a 2 at the start of it, even on first year rates and without the bonus or allowances.
What about bases outside of Mel or syd? Understandably not day 1 but how long could you have to wait for SH?
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 05:58
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Originally Posted by davidclarke
Absolutely! Every EBA that has been voted up in the last few years group wide has been garbage. But the difference is none of them voted up a B scale for their future colleagues. Colleagues that never got to have a say……
I’m wildly against B scales in principal as well but it’s easy to forget how that “negotiation” went down.

Qantas threatened to outsource the 350 or start another entity to fly it if that agreement didn’t get up. Legal advise was that as they were new aircraft on new routes there was no transfer of business and it would have been completely legal.

Combine that with the fact COVID took hold and the EBA vote was in April 2020 while most people were stood down it didn’t really leave mainline pilots in a strong bargaining position did it
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 07:11
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Originally Posted by romeocharlie
Just like EFA didn't sell out and vote "No" too hey?
EFA pilots were well below award after having a 4 year expired EBA. Once the 0/0/2/2 pay freeze/wages policy was applied, they were still below award, and were all bumped up to 2% above award, which netted a circa 15% pay rise over 4 years. But still “wages policy compliant” in the company’s eyes.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 08:09
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Originally Posted by Overspeed1
I’m wildly against B scales in principal as well but it’s easy to forget how that “negotiation” went down.

Qantas threatened to outsource the 350 or start another entity to fly it if that agreement didn’t get up. Legal advise was that as they were new aircraft on new routes there was no transfer of business and it would have been completely legal.

Combine that with the fact COVID took hold and the EBA vote was in April 2020 while most people were stood down it didn’t really leave mainline pilots in a strong bargaining position did it
This comment is accurate.

The threat pre Covid-19 was real that they’d outsource the flying to a new entity. And with lots leaving CX due to the issues in HKG it wasn’t a risk the pilots could take, especially as covid started to appear. Secure the plane first. Then fight it.

Bin Chicken Airlines WA was waiting to swoop in. QantasLink A350-1000 ULR 🤢 Award pay for a350 log book time. They were rubbing their hands. I seen it.
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 11:22
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Originally Posted by onezeroonethree
This comment is accurate.

The threat pre Covid-19 was real that they’d outsource the flying to a new entity. And with lots leaving CX due to the issues in HKG it wasn’t a risk the pilots could take, especially as covid started to appear. Secure the plane first. Then fight it.

Bin Chicken Airlines WA was waiting to swoop in. QantasLink A350-1000 ULR 🤢 Award pay for a350 log book time. They were rubbing their hands. I seen it.
if you believed network could have done this flying you’re dumber than a one nail door stop
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Old 26th Sep 2022, 12:27
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‘I seen it’…
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