Qantas Recruitment
Why the angst that Network is busy , thought that would be a good thing , more $$ for the group & some EOI to transfer
over from the rest of the group ?
Can someone explain why the 717 advertised externally for FOs in early January ? Was this because not enough group
people were interested ? Seems strange going to the outside market just because group guys might not have time on 717
Sounds like AIPA might have dropped the ball , if externals are being hired
over from the rest of the group ?
Can someone explain why the 717 advertised externally for FOs in early January ? Was this because not enough group
people were interested ? Seems strange going to the outside market just because group guys might not have time on 717
Sounds like AIPA might have dropped the ball , if externals are being hired
The cynic in me would suggest it is deliberate ploy to lock out Mainline Pilots, but the reality is that it’s an employers market right now and plenty of Airbus experienced expats would be flooding home to jump at the chance.
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Just surprises me that people from outside the QF group are even considered for any flying job within the group
Such as the 717 operation advertising externally & asking for time on type
Could understand if firstly for people within group with endorsement/time but it wouldn't be any great challenge for a stood down
JQ or Mainline guy to do an endo & line training if nobody available in group with endorsement (or willing to apply)
AIPA & AFAP really should have worked together & made that a priority , nobody hired from outside - we have 1000 + stood down & they have to come first
It wouldn't have been that hard to get across the line.
Wasted time/efforts on projects that were never going to happen (ie Pilotkeeper) forgot the basics
Such as the 717 operation advertising externally & asking for time on type
Could understand if firstly for people within group with endorsement/time but it wouldn't be any great challenge for a stood down
JQ or Mainline guy to do an endo & line training if nobody available in group with endorsement (or willing to apply)
AIPA & AFAP really should have worked together & made that a priority , nobody hired from outside - we have 1000 + stood down & they have to come first
It wouldn't have been that hard to get across the line.
Wasted time/efforts on projects that were never going to happen (ie Pilotkeeper) forgot the basics
Just surprises me that people from outside the QF group are even considered for any flying job within the group
Such as the 717 operation advertising externally & asking for time on type
Could understand if firstly for people within group with endorsement/time but it wouldn't be any great challenge for a stood down
JQ or Mainline guy to do an endo & line training if nobody available in group with endorsement (or willing to apply)
AIPA & AFAP really should have worked together & made that a priority , nobody hired from outside - we have 1000 + stood down & they have to come first
It wouldn't have been that hard to get across the line.
Wasted time/efforts on projects that were never going to happen (ie Pilotkeeper) forgot the basics
Such as the 717 operation advertising externally & asking for time on type
Could understand if firstly for people within group with endorsement/time but it wouldn't be any great challenge for a stood down
JQ or Mainline guy to do an endo & line training if nobody available in group with endorsement (or willing to apply)
AIPA & AFAP really should have worked together & made that a priority , nobody hired from outside - we have 1000 + stood down & they have to come first
It wouldn't have been that hard to get across the line.
Wasted time/efforts on projects that were never going to happen (ie Pilotkeeper) forgot the basics
surely..
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Why would they advertise for 717 FOs if they did not intend hiring ? Surely they have better things to do
QF group pilots (or their unions etc) should have ensured "no externals" whilst any of their own guys were stood down/lwop
, & first to be re-employed in any QF airline if there are redundancies (not just mainline)
Virgin redundant pilots are first to be re-employed until 2027 or something
Unfortunately makes it a bleak outlook for any returnees from OS looking for an airline gig if QF & Virgin have a look after your own policy for the next several years
QF group pilots (or their unions etc) should have ensured "no externals" whilst any of their own guys were stood down/lwop
, & first to be re-employed in any QF airline if there are redundancies (not just mainline)
Virgin redundant pilots are first to be re-employed until 2027 or something
Unfortunately makes it a bleak outlook for any returnees from OS looking for an airline gig if QF & Virgin have a look after your own policy for the next several years
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Well there probably isn't one as nobody thought about a global pandemic when contracts drafted up
But there would be nothing to stop the two parties reaching an agreement whether that be formalised in writing or simply a handshake deal or statement by the CEO
It wouldn't be a great look for a company to refuse such a reasonable request. Even if people did have to make some financial or guaranteed period of service if not endorsed
Have AIPA/AFAP even asked ? Maybe they should think about doing that
But there would be nothing to stop the two parties reaching an agreement whether that be formalised in writing or simply a handshake deal or statement by the CEO
It wouldn't be a great look for a company to refuse such a reasonable request. Even if people did have to make some financial or guaranteed period of service if not endorsed
Have AIPA/AFAP even asked ? Maybe they should think about doing that
I get where you’re coming from and hate to be negative, but there are a couple of minor issues here.
Er, this is Qantas we’re talking about. The statement would be along the lines of ‘We want to assure you that at this stage, we have no intention of doing that nasty thing you don’t want us to do.’ Within a couple of months, they’ll be doing it.
If it’s not in writing and bulletproof, forget it.
This is a company which has just gotten rid of about a third of its workforce and decided that instead of going to a service desk for help, passengers can sort it out themselves online. I don’t think they’re too worried about what’s a good look right now.
or simply a handshake deal or statement by the CEO
If it’s not in writing and bulletproof, forget it.
It wouldn't be a great look for a company to refuse such a reasonable request.
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Can someone explain to me how the Qantas group can be collecting Jobkeeper yet be recruiting? I'm pretty confident their application for jobkeeper isn't for the individual businesses, it's for the whole group.
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Yes Keg that would constitute a valid contract , same if it was written on toilet paper & signed by same
I am sure you are an excellent pilot , solid citizen etc. But your thinking appears quite narrow in this area, that everything has to written down & certified by a whole lot of singers & dancers or it has to say "can be done" in legislation or other instruments. Otherwise you just can't do it
Off the books deals , agreements like these are made all the time in the commercial world. It's easy , no need to overcomplicate it
Various LOA are pretty Mickey mouse in many ways drafted up in five minutes, that would be one mechanism - but likely overcomplicating something that is very simple
Free world etc , if you all think it's a bridge too far or you support the hiring of external candidates
I am sure you are an excellent pilot , solid citizen etc. But your thinking appears quite narrow in this area, that everything has to written down & certified by a whole lot of singers & dancers or it has to say "can be done" in legislation or other instruments. Otherwise you just can't do it
Off the books deals , agreements like these are made all the time in the commercial world. It's easy , no need to overcomplicate it
Various LOA are pretty Mickey mouse in many ways drafted up in five minutes, that would be one mechanism - but likely overcomplicating something that is very simple
Free world etc , if you all think it's a bridge too far or you support the hiring of external candidates
Yes Keg that would constitute a valid contract , same if it was written on toilet paper & signed by same
I am sure you are an excellent pilot , solid citizen etc. But your thinking appears quite narrow in this area, that everything has to written down & certified by a whole lot of singers & dancers or it has to say "can be done" in legislation or other instruments. Otherwise you just can't do it
Off the books deals , agreements like these are made all the time in the commercial world. It's easy , no need to overcomplicate it
Various LOA are pretty Mickey mouse in many ways drafted up in five minutes, that would be one mechanism - but likely overcomplicating something that is very simple
Free world etc , if you all think it's a bridge too far or you support the hiring of external candidates
I am sure you are an excellent pilot , solid citizen etc. But your thinking appears quite narrow in this area, that everything has to written down & certified by a whole lot of singers & dancers or it has to say "can be done" in legislation or other instruments. Otherwise you just can't do it
Off the books deals , agreements like these are made all the time in the commercial world. It's easy , no need to overcomplicate it
Various LOA are pretty Mickey mouse in many ways drafted up in five minutes, that would be one mechanism - but likely overcomplicating something that is very simple
Free world etc , if you all think it's a bridge too far or you support the hiring of external candidates
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Well I think I was right (unfortunately) with the % recovery I was predicting . Said getting 50% of international back in two years would be a great result. Got howled down but now that figure would seem like dreamland. Be lucky to be at 10%
I just hope domestic stabilises ,grows , very sketchy ATM
Not looking for anyone to listen to me , just my views. The folks here seem to be experts in anything & everything
If you want AIPA to support the entry of externals , that is your right. If you don't want aircrew vacancies reserved for other QF group crew , that's your right - tell AIPA & your CEO that
I just hope domestic stabilises ,grows , very sketchy ATM
Not looking for anyone to listen to me , just my views. The folks here seem to be experts in anything & everything
If you want AIPA to support the entry of externals , that is your right. If you don't want aircrew vacancies reserved for other QF group crew , that's your right - tell AIPA & your CEO that
I am sure you are an excellent pilot , solid citizen etc. But your thinking appears quite narrow in this area, that everything has to written down & certified by a whole lot of singers & dancers or it has to say "can be done" in legislation or other instruments. Otherwise you just can't do it
