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Old 27th Jan 2021, 03:09
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
Why the angst that Network is busy , thought that would be a good thing , more $$ for the group & some EOI to transfer
over from the rest of the group ?

Can someone explain why the 717 advertised externally for FOs in early January ? Was this because not enough group
people were interested ? Seems strange going to the outside market just because group guys might not have time on 717

Sounds like AIPA might have dropped the ball , if externals are being hired
Network are only accepting internals with previous F100 or A320 experience. Apart from those who did MOU time at JQ, the numbers would be limited.

The cynic in me would suggest it is deliberate ploy to lock out Mainline Pilots, but the reality is that it’s an employers market right now and plenty of Airbus experienced expats would be flooding home to jump at the chance.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 03:54
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Just surprises me that people from outside the QF group are even considered for any flying job within the group

Such as the 717 operation advertising externally & asking for time on type

Could understand if firstly for people within group with endorsement/time but it wouldn't be any great challenge for a stood down
JQ or Mainline guy to do an endo & line training if nobody available in group with endorsement (or willing to apply)

AIPA & AFAP really should have worked together & made that a priority , nobody hired from outside - we have 1000 + stood down & they have to come first
It wouldn't have been that hard to get across the line.

Wasted time/efforts on projects that were never going to happen (ie Pilotkeeper) forgot the basics
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 04:15
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So would Network consider employing Captains who are current and with significant F100 and A320 command time?
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 04:34
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
Just surprises me that people from outside the QF group are even considered for any flying job within the group

Such as the 717 operation advertising externally & asking for time on type

Could understand if firstly for people within group with endorsement/time but it wouldn't be any great challenge for a stood down
JQ or Mainline guy to do an endo & line training if nobody available in group with endorsement (or willing to apply)

AIPA & AFAP really should have worked together & made that a priority , nobody hired from outside - we have 1000 + stood down & they have to come first
It wouldn't have been that hard to get across the line.

Wasted time/efforts on projects that were never going to happen (ie Pilotkeeper) forgot the basics
Was there actually any pilots externally hired for the 717? I can understand advertising but surely this didn’t actually happen with the amount stood down within the group.

surely..
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 05:20
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Why would they advertise for 717 FOs if they did not intend hiring ? Surely they have better things to do
QF group pilots (or their unions etc) should have ensured "no externals" whilst any of their own guys were stood down/lwop
, & first to be re-employed in any QF airline if there are redundancies (not just mainline)
Virgin redundant pilots are first to be re-employed until 2027 or something
Unfortunately makes it a bleak outlook for any returnees from OS looking for an airline gig if QF & Virgin have a look after your own policy for the next several years
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 07:04
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Originally Posted by Fujiroll76
Was there actually any pilots externally hired for the 717?
Yep most certainly. Don’t really understand why you had to have had 717 time, they still do a full endorsement...
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 07:56
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Were the externals all ex Qlink 717 ?
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 08:21
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Advert only expired on January 14th , was open for two or three weeks
A rather quick hiring process then if people already appointed
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 09:25
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
QF group pilots (or their unions etc) should have ensured "no externals" whilst any of their own guys were stood down/lwop
And using what legal framework were they going to use to ensure this?

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Old 27th Jan 2021, 09:59
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And using what legal framework were they going to use to ensure this?
Well there probably isn't one as nobody thought about a global pandemic when contracts drafted up
But there would be nothing to stop the two parties reaching an agreement whether that be formalised in writing or simply a handshake deal or statement by the CEO
It wouldn't be a great look for a company to refuse such a reasonable request. Even if people did have to make some financial or guaranteed period of service if not endorsed

Have AIPA/AFAP even asked ? Maybe they should think about doing that

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Old 27th Jan 2021, 10:31
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I get where you’re coming from and hate to be negative, but there are a couple of minor issues here.

or simply a handshake deal or statement by the CEO
Er, this is Qantas we’re talking about. The statement would be along the lines of ‘We want to assure you that at this stage, we have no intention of doing that nasty thing you don’t want us to do.’ Within a couple of months, they’ll be doing it.
If it’s not in writing and bulletproof, forget it.

It wouldn't be a great look for a company to refuse such a reasonable request.
This is a company which has just gotten rid of about a third of its workforce and decided that instead of going to a service desk for help, passengers can sort it out themselves online. I don’t think they’re too worried about what’s a good look right now.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 21:29
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
But there would be nothing to stop the two parties reaching an agreement whether that be formalised in writing or simply a handshake deal or statement by the CEO
Lol. Perhaps it could be written on a bit of parchment and signed by the CEO and President of AIPA.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 23:30
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Can someone explain to me how the Qantas group can be collecting Jobkeeper yet be recruiting? I'm pretty confident their application for jobkeeper isn't for the individual businesses, it's for the whole group.
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Old 27th Jan 2021, 23:36
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Can someone explain to me how the Qantas group can be collecting Jobkeeper yet be recruiting? I'm pretty confident their application for jobkeeper isn't for the individual businesses, it's for the whole group.
A good question indeed.
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Old 28th Jan 2021, 02:03
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Yes Keg that would constitute a valid contract , same if it was written on toilet paper & signed by same

I am sure you are an excellent pilot , solid citizen etc. But your thinking appears quite narrow in this area, that everything has to written down & certified by a whole lot of singers & dancers or it has to say "can be done" in legislation or other instruments. Otherwise you just can't do it
Off the books deals , agreements like these are made all the time in the commercial world. It's easy , no need to overcomplicate it
Various LOA are pretty Mickey mouse in many ways drafted up in five minutes, that would be one mechanism - but likely overcomplicating something that is very simple
Free world etc , if you all think it's a bridge too far or you support the hiring of external candidates


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Old 28th Jan 2021, 03:04
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Telfer, back in August you told us 25-40% of the QF pilot group would be made redundant.

And now you want us to listen to your advice?
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Old 28th Jan 2021, 03:16
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Telfer, unenforceable “off the book deals [and] agreements” require a trust relationship.
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Old 28th Jan 2021, 04:10
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Originally Posted by Telfer86
Yes Keg that would constitute a valid contract , same if it was written on toilet paper & signed by same

I am sure you are an excellent pilot , solid citizen etc. But your thinking appears quite narrow in this area, that everything has to written down & certified by a whole lot of singers & dancers or it has to say "can be done" in legislation or other instruments. Otherwise you just can't do it
Off the books deals , agreements like these are made all the time in the commercial world. It's easy , no need to overcomplicate it
Various LOA are pretty Mickey mouse in many ways drafted up in five minutes, that would be one mechanism - but likely overcomplicating something that is very simple
Free world etc , if you all think it's a bridge too far or you support the hiring of external candidates



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What gives AIPA the authority to 'contract' on behalf of pilots? What gives AIPA the authority to draft an LOA? What limits the scope of what an LOA can cover?
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Old 28th Jan 2021, 04:28
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Well I think I was right (unfortunately) with the % recovery I was predicting . Said getting 50% of international back in two years would be a great result. Got howled down but now that figure would seem like dreamland. Be lucky to be at 10%

I just hope domestic stabilises ,grows , very sketchy ATM
Not looking for anyone to listen to me , just my views. The folks here seem to be experts in anything & everything

If you want AIPA to support the entry of externals , that is your right. If you don't want aircrew vacancies reserved for other QF group crew , that's your right - tell AIPA & your CEO that
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Old 28th Jan 2021, 04:37
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I am sure you are an excellent pilot , solid citizen etc. But your thinking appears quite narrow in this area, that everything has to written down & certified by a whole lot of singers & dancers or it has to say "can be done" in legislation or other instruments. Otherwise you just can't do it
Assumption being you aren't dealing with a team of psychopaths.
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