Australian pilots can work for US regionals.
This just popped up. I'm guessing GlobalX but don't know for sure. And it's going to require that 1000 hours FAA Part 121 time so it may keep a few otherwise qualified people from applying:
“*Our client is now welcoming Australian Pilots, that eligible for E3 Visa to Apply.”
https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16926.html
“*Our client is now welcoming Australian Pilots, that eligible for E3 Visa to Apply.”
https://www.latestpilotjobs.com/jobs/view/id/16926.html
A bit more info on the Breeze/Aussie deal. I assume the author spoke to someone at Breeze to get the info ?
“Breeze already has around 120 applicants for the program, with the majority of pilots living in Australia and some who are already in the US. Pilots from Down Under will, however, incur travel and visa costs before being able to fly for Breeze.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...edgdhp&pc=U531
“Breeze already has around 120 applicants for the program, with the majority of pilots living in Australia and some who are already in the US. Pilots from Down Under will, however, incur travel and visa costs before being able to fly for Breeze.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...edgdhp&pc=U531
A bit more info on the Breeze/Aussie deal. I assume the author spoke to someone at Breeze to get the info ?
“Breeze already has around 120 applicants for the program, with the majority of pilots living in Australia and some who are already in the US. Pilots from Down Under will, however, incur travel and visa costs before being able to fly for Breeze.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...edgdhp&pc=U531
“Breeze already has around 120 applicants for the program, with the majority of pilots living in Australia and some who are already in the US. Pilots from Down Under will, however, incur travel and visa costs before being able to fly for Breeze.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...edgdhp&pc=U531
I’m not saying don’t do it but be aware that the pay is less than any of the ULCC currently flying in the US. The only way that might be mitigated is if they’re represented by either ALPA or god forbid, the teamsters. A non-union carrier staffed mostly by foreign nationals is going to have a target on its back.
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If Breeze wants E3 pilots it needs to lift their game.
“Breeze already has around 120 applicants for the program, with the majority of pilots living in Australia and some who are already in the US. Pilots from Down Under will, however, incur travel and visa costs before being able to fly for Breeze.”
Both Go-Jet offering $20,000 USD and PSA $15,000 USD “sign on bonus” plus a number of other productivities pay bonus, including FOC “J class” travel on UA (Go-Jet) & AA (PSA) to relocate to the States. visa application fees, Hotel accommodation, per diems. Staff travel.
What are Breeze terms and conditions??
“Breeze already has around 120 applicants for the program, with the majority of pilots living in Australia and some who are already in the US. Pilots from Down Under will, however, incur travel and visa costs before being able to fly for Breeze.”
Both Go-Jet offering $20,000 USD and PSA $15,000 USD “sign on bonus” plus a number of other productivities pay bonus, including FOC “J class” travel on UA (Go-Jet) & AA (PSA) to relocate to the States. visa application fees, Hotel accommodation, per diems. Staff travel.
What are Breeze terms and conditions??
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If Breeze wants E3 pilots it needs to lift their game.
“Breeze already has around 120 applicants for the program, with the majority of pilots living in Australia and some who are already in the US. Pilots from Down Under will, however, incur travel and visa costs before being able to fly for Breeze.”
Both Go-Jet offering $20,000 USD and PSA $15,000 USD “sign on bonus” plus a number of other productivities pay bonus, including FOC “J class” travel on UA (Go-Jet) & AA (PSA) to relocate to the States. visa application fees, Hotel accommodation, per diems. Staff travel.
What are Breeze terms and conditions??
“Breeze already has around 120 applicants for the program, with the majority of pilots living in Australia and some who are already in the US. Pilots from Down Under will, however, incur travel and visa costs before being able to fly for Breeze.”
Both Go-Jet offering $20,000 USD and PSA $15,000 USD “sign on bonus” plus a number of other productivities pay bonus, including FOC “J class” travel on UA (Go-Jet) & AA (PSA) to relocate to the States. visa application fees, Hotel accommodation, per diems. Staff travel.
What are Breeze terms and conditions??
The biggest question is, who's gonna pay for ATP CTP for those without FAA ATPL when it comes to Breeze?
I don't see Breeze becoming an airline staffed by enough expats to really matter. There are apparently enough US citizens now to run the operation and there's anecdotal info about qualified US citizens applying but getting no response from the Breeze hiring mechanism (and, the same can be said of every airline).
These startups are always a risky proposition for those signing on. But, they laughed at SWA too.
And choosing an established regional is likely a safer bet for any Aussie coming here to get some airline experience and move on to something bigger and better. Very entertaining stuff.
lee_apromise,
I'd assume Breeze will have to pay for all licensing costs as the regionals do now.
What are you smoking? Lift their game? Breeze pay rate is much better than those regionals you mentioned. With so many jobless pilots in Aust, who isn't going to apply?
The biggest question is, who's gonna pay for ATP CTP for those without FAA ATPL when it comes to Breeze?
The biggest question is, who's gonna pay for ATP CTP for those without FAA ATPL when it comes to Breeze?
I don't see Breeze becoming an airline staffed by enough expats to really matter. There are apparently enough US citizens now to run the operation and there's anecdotal info about qualified US citizens applying but getting no response from the Breeze hiring mechanism (and, the same can be said of every airline)
It’s not going to hurt to apply, just be aware and educate yourself about what you might be getting into, as much as you can.
Everyone now flying for Breeze is working for less with their own full knowledge. I'd expect management to do everything they can to staff the operation.
I don't understand why anyone is too wrapped around the axle about a few Aussies coming to work at some start up. They didn't have much to say about those who came to the regional sector here and it's the same deal.
Much ado about very little in the Big Picture.
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Lee, I agree but when has logic ever entered into the thinking of most pilots when it comes to pay? The flaw in your statement is that Breeze isn’t operating clapped out E145’s or CRJ’s. They going to be operating E190’s and Airbus, so that’s the yard stick with which the pay will be judged and it’ll be compared to US airlines flying those types. The pay is a lot lower than JetBlue or Spirit, especially the CA pay.
No offense but talk to me about that yard stick again when E-3 guys can apply for jobs at other legacies and majors with E-3 visas.
Until then, E-3 applicants have no say in determining their terms and conditions. This is the reality.
Like they say, beggars can't be choosers.
Not that I don't understand what you are saying, but asking JetBlue E190/A220 and Delta A220 pay from a start up company sounds ridiculous.
No offense but talk to me about that yard stick again when E-3 guys can apply for jobs at other legacies and majors with E-3 visas.
Until then, E-3 applicants have no say in determining their terms and conditions. This is the reality.
Like they say, beggars can't be choosers.
No offense but talk to me about that yard stick again when E-3 guys can apply for jobs at other legacies and majors with E-3 visas.
Until then, E-3 applicants have no say in determining their terms and conditions. This is the reality.
Like they say, beggars can't be choosers.
Imagine for a second that some mob starts up a new operation in OZ using Yanks on sponsored visas, the locals would go fecking ape$hit.
Also, I didn't mention Delta, I said Jetblue and Spirit.
That's a cop-out. By applying for and accepting the terms and conditions any operation is offering, You are directly determining the terms and conditions. There's no indirect about it and that excuse has been used for decades by pilots to make themselves feel better when they know they're getting paid less than their peers. It's simple.
Imagine for a second that some mob starts up a new operation in OZ using Yanks on sponsored visas, the locals would go fecking ape$hit.
Also, I didn't mention Delta, I said Jetblue and Spirit.
Imagine for a second that some mob starts up a new operation in OZ using Yanks on sponsored visas, the locals would go fecking ape$hit.
Also, I didn't mention Delta, I said Jetblue and Spirit.
To play devil's advocate, that has been happening for a long time now with 457 visas. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, because immigrating to the US has personally benefited me immensely, it just is.
It does tend to bother me though when pilots say, "don't come here, because we're poorly paid, and if you don't come here we might improve our T&C's". It's literally asking people to pass up an opportunity that may better their life, so that your lot in life may improve. The upshot is that even if the majority of Australian pilots had the desire to immigrate to the US (which they don't for various reasons), the impact we collectively make on the impending pilot shortage is negligible.
The benefit to the individual Aussie's career here though cannot be understated. You can largely skip a lot of the GA nonsense of home, get some jet time, have some incredible experiences, and maybe find your career destination. And thanks to the guys and girls that are putting in the effort here, there are now significant opportunities beyond just the regionals for those that wish to follow.
Just to recap those opportunities for those who haven't been paying attention:
GoJet
PSA
CommutAir (green card if you're captain qualified)
Breeze
National Airlines
Frontier
Waltzing Matilda Aviation
Mesa
Atlas
Denver Air Connection
Red Wing Aviation
These are just the opportunities that I'm aware of, I'm sure there's more. Maybe one day the advice to the next generation of pilots starting their career won't be to head north, but to head across the pond...
To play devil's advocate, that has been happening for a long time now with 457 visas. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, because immigrating to the US has personally benefited me immensely, it just is.
It does tend to bother me though when pilots say, "don't come here, because we're poorly paid, and if you don't come here we might improve our T&C's". It's literally asking people to pass up an opportunity that may better their life, so that your lot in life may improve. The upshot is that even if the majority of Australian pilots had the desire to immigrate to the US (which they don't for various reasons), the impact we collectively make on the impending pilot shortage is negligible.
The benefit to the individual Aussie's career here though cannot be understated. You can largely skip a lot of the GA nonsense of home, get some jet time, have some incredible experiences, and maybe find your career destination. And thanks to the guys and girls that are putting in the effort here, there are now significant opportunities beyond just the regionals for those that wish to follow.
Just to recap those opportunities for those who haven't been paying attention:
GoJet
PSA
CommutAir (green card if you're captain qualified)
Breeze
National Airlines
Frontier
Waltzing Matilda Aviation
Mesa
Atlas
Denver Air Connection
Red Wing Aviation
These are just the opportunities that I'm aware of, I'm sure there's more. Maybe one day the advice to the next generation of pilots starting their career won't be to head north, but to head across the pond...
It does tend to bother me though when pilots say, "don't come here, because we're poorly paid, and if you don't come here we might improve our T&C's". It's literally asking people to pass up an opportunity that may better their life, so that your lot in life may improve. The upshot is that even if the majority of Australian pilots had the desire to immigrate to the US (which they don't for various reasons), the impact we collectively make on the impending pilot shortage is negligible.
The benefit to the individual Aussie's career here though cannot be understated. You can largely skip a lot of the GA nonsense of home, get some jet time, have some incredible experiences, and maybe find your career destination. And thanks to the guys and girls that are putting in the effort here, there are now significant opportunities beyond just the regionals for those that wish to follow.
Just to recap those opportunities for those who haven't been paying attention:
GoJet
PSA
CommutAir (green card if you're captain qualified)
Breeze
National Airlines
Frontier
Waltzing Matilda Aviation
Mesa
Atlas
Denver Air Connection
Red Wing Aviation
These are just the opportunities that I'm aware of, I'm sure there's more. Maybe one day the advice to the next generation of pilots starting their career won't be to head north, but to head across the pond...
dropyoursocks has summed it up perfectly, don’t head north, head across the pond.
GA in Australia is dead. Aviation In the US is booming, jump on the train in the new golden era for pilots here in the US.
1. How many Australian pilots have successfully made the transition from US regionals back to an Australian airline (obviously Covid has interrupted this for the last two years) and how many are seeking to get back to Australia as soon as they can? Is it common?
2. How many Australians are now intending to stay in the US long term, and either try to gain employment a major if possible or cargo or other operation?
Goin up north or out bush to build up hours was a key stepping stone in the typical Australian pilot's career with the ultimate aim to land a position with an Australian airline in a capital city. Going to the US may get some jet and multicrew time in the logbook, but as far as the "typical" experience of those flying over there:
1. How many Australian pilots have successfully made the transition from US regionals back to an Australian airline (obviously Covid has interrupted this for the last two years) and how many are seeking to get back to Australia as soon as they can? Is it common?
2. How many Australians are now intending to stay in the US long term, and either try to gain employment a major if possible or cargo or other operation?
1. How many Australian pilots have successfully made the transition from US regionals back to an Australian airline (obviously Covid has interrupted this for the last two years) and how many are seeking to get back to Australia as soon as they can? Is it common?
2. How many Australians are now intending to stay in the US long term, and either try to gain employment a major if possible or cargo or other operation?
Get amongst it!
Goin up north or out bush to build up hours was a key stepping stone in the typical Australian pilot's career with the ultimate aim to land a position with an Australian airline in a capital city.